This is the third episode of three about hypnosis and EMDR. Jaime is a licensed therapist trained and certified in both EMDR and hypnosis. She gives us her unique experience using both of them in her practice as a trauma therapist. And whether a past life is sometimes affecting a current day trauma.

We also discuss how she uses dream interpretation and skills to help people with reoccurring and/or traumatic dreams.

 

About Jaime Weatherholt, LICSW, CHt

Jaime is a private practice therapist who specializes in anxiety, depression, and mood disorders and has a private practice in Omaha, Nebraska in the US. She’s certified in EMDR, Brainspotting, Hypnosis and Past Life Regression. You can find her at https://www.enlightenedomaha.com

Jaime’s podcast is “The Shrink Show Podcast” and is at https://www.theshrinkshowpodcast.com

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Winner of numerous awards including Top 100 Moms in Business, Dr. Liz provides psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, and hypnosis to people wanting a fast, easy way to transform all around the world. She has a PhD in Clinical Psychology, is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and has special certification in Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy. Specialty areas include Anxiety, Insomnia, and Deeper Emotional Healing.

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Transcript

 

0:00:01 – Dr. Liz
Hi everyone, dr Liz here. The summer is clipping along. Here in South Florida it is hot, hot, hot for sure, so I am happy right now to be indoors in the AC. This is a third episode in a series of three about hypnosis and EMDR. The other two are right before this HM295 and HM294, and they’re both done with hypnotherapists.

Jamie is a licensed clinical therapist, so she’s more like me. I hold a license as well in the US, and she is certified in both EMDR and hypnosis. I am not trained in EMDR, which is why I’m interviewing her. She gives us her experience using both of them in her practice and some of the differences as well. My goal in running this series is so that people learn about the differences between both and also get a sense of when they should use one versus the other, or perhaps when they should use both. So I hope this helps answer some of those questions. Of course, we talk about other stuff too, like past life regression, how it’s affecting a current day, trauma, dream interpretation, how to resolve recurring or traumatic dreams. So always interesting stuff on the podcast here. I hope you enjoy it. Let’s jump in Peace. I hope you enjoy it. Let’s jump in Peace.

Hi Jamie, welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast.

0:01:32 – Jaime
Hi, thanks for having me.

0:01:33 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, I’m excited about our conversation today because we seem to do like really similar things and it’s always interesting to find someone who it looks like they’re on the same path as you. They have a podcast, they’re specialists in hypnosis, they have a private practice. Just talking about how that happens and just interconnecting those is always really nice. Yeah, absolutely so. The topic that we discussed today as a primary topic is some of the differences between EMDR and hypnosis. So we are going to get to that.

0:02:14 – Jaime
But first what was your first experience like with hypnosis? Let’s see. My first experience with hypnosis is probably like typical people is stage hypnosis. I’m mostly. I was only an audience member, but one of my best friends actually went up on stage and I it’s interesting going through the training to better understand what was happening behind the scenes. But, like as an audience member, you’re just like, oh, this is silly, like, um, you know you. You hear things like, oh, it’s fake or oh, they’re doing whatever. Knowing my friend I mean she she would not have done any of those things just on her own or willingly, and even the way she describes it, she goes.

I I kind of barely remember everything. But right at the very end, cause it’s a comedy show, the man was like okay, like who’d you come here with? And so our table, raised our hands and he, he saw me and was going to have her say something to me, and whatever he whispered in her ear, she came out of trance and she goes. I’m not saying that and she just walked off stage and so it was funny because after the show so many audience members asked we were like, what did he say?

Like what were you going to say, and he, she goes. I don’t remember, I just know I would never say that to my friend and I was upset. And so you know, being trained in hypnosis, I understand. That’s my proof that I share with clients too, to remind them you are in full control If you do or don’t like what I say. You will have an opinion about it, just like my friend did, and it was fun, obviously as an audience member, but fascinating, to see how her conscious mind stepped in and was like Nope, not today.

0:04:09 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, true, true. So then, when did you decide to get trained in hypnosis?

0:04:16 – Jaime
I decided to get trained on accident. My husband he was really the one who was like you should get trained in hypnosis. And I was like, why, why would I do that? I’m already trained. I’m a clinical therapist, I’m trained in EMDR, I’m trained in brain spotting. You know, I have all these other trainings behind me.

What does hypnosis even mean? And he was like, just do it. He’s like then you could do that on me. And I was like, I mean, he is polar opposite of mental health. He’s just like, oh, whatever, you just listen to people’s problems. And it was the one thing. He was like, if you get trained in it, I, I’m interested. And I was like, oh, that’s cool. And I luckily found a group of people in town I’m in Omaha, nebraska who are therapists and do hypnosis. And so I was like it really explained to me how, how do you use hypnosis? Because all I know about it is again the stage trauma come in here. And so it was through that networking and kind of through a spontaneous suggestion by my husband that I fell into it and it never is really like oh, I just decided to do it and get trained.

0:05:49 – Dr. Liz
It’s usually a personal experience or a suggestion by a friend or a loved one or something like that, so I always love to hear those stories. So you had already been trained in EMDR then at that point. Okay, yes, so then what differences did you see when you did the hypnosis training? Because I frequently get a call from someone who will say, like I’m considering EMDR, but I’m also considering hypnosis. Obviously, if you’re trained in both, you can be like well, you can come to me regardless, but I’m not trained in.

EMDR Right, so sometimes I refer. So what do you see the main differences as.

0:06:30 – Jaime
You know the way I describe it is it’s like taking a different road to the same destination. Emdr is one road, Hypnosis is another road.

0:06:40 – Dr. Liz
Okay.

0:06:41 – Jaime
Because ultimately, in the end, you’re, we’re all talking to this part of the brain where (trauma lives). So people come to me for trauma or anxiety or some sort of mood issue like depression. And so the way I describe it to clients is I’m talking to the same part of the brain with both modalities. The way in which I get there will depend. I also like learning styles right. We learned that some people do better with auditory like a lecture hall.

Some people do better with doing the activity or reading about it. It’s not like it’s right or wrong, it’s how do you want to heal? How does your brain need to heal?

0:07:25 – Dr. Liz
Mm-hmm, do you see the EMDR more as the doing, because they’re following a finger or a light bar or something like that?

0:07:35 – Jaime
Yeah, I think with that one, with EMDR it’s almost to me it seems more like the clinician, like I’m in the leader and you’re in the following seat and I’m like come on, come on, follow me, and I’m going to show you around. Whatever it is, whether it’s a feeling or a belief or maybe a specific traumatic event, but I’ll be like, okay, this is what I’m noticing, you know, because EMDR is very protocol based, meaning I am essentially following a script and saying we’re trying to reduce how intense this emotion is or this cognition or this event, this memory. But I’m following this protocol that saying this is how we get there. With hypnosis it’s very much. The client is in the driver’s seat, I’m following along and, kind of like when you’re in a car ride, the person in the driver’s seat is like, oh my gosh, did you see that over there and the driver is like paying attention in front of them and they’re like, oh no, I didn’t look to the right, but now that you point that out, I do see that. You know that’s like what hypnosis is, it’s. You know? There there is a script, just a different type of script, and it’s very much led by you know, whatever the client is noticing, or whatever the client is experiencing.

0:09:01 – Dr. Liz
Okay. So you see it more as client led then. The hypnotherapist is simply the guide Right. Um, we’re facilitating what the the client is doing versus yeah, I see it as facilitator versus the guide Right. Sometimes I’m definitely the guide, depending on what we’re doing, but with the EMDR you really are in the guide position the whole time. Yes, absolutely Okay. Interesting. When you’ve done both with people, do you feel like some people prefer one over the other?

0:09:39 – Jaime
I think some people do prefer one over the other. I have many clients where I have worked with them for years we’ve done the EMDR and then I said, oh, I did this training in hypnosis, you want to give it a whirl. And so you know, many are curious and, luckily, trust me. So they’re very eager and and okay with yeah, you know if it’ll help absolutely. And okay with yeah, you know if it’ll help absolutely. And you know I’m not going to suggest it unless it’s it is useful, obviously, but when they, when they’ve done both, I do have many clients who are like I really like this one, let’s stick with this one you know, and I haven’t noticed necessarily a pattern like if it’s a specific type of trauma, if it’s a specific type of person, or like even diagnosis that they have.

I truly just think it’s whatever feels safer, because ultimately that’s what we’re healing, At least the folks I work with. We’re healing some sort of trauma, something that’s scary or anxiety inducing, so ultimately it’s they. They can decide and tell me what feels safer.

0:10:49 – Dr. Liz
Very interesting. Yeah, I love that. Do you get people calling up for specific, like requesting EMDR or hypnosis, and then later they’re open to doing the other, or is it really they’re just coming in for? Hey, I want to heal trauma and I don’t care how we get there.

0:11:09 – Jaime
You know, it’s a little of both. I have some people that are like I have trauma. I see you work with trauma and, like some of the examples you’ve shared seem to be up my alley. And then I have some that are like oh, I want to do hypnosis because I’ve been in EMDR therapy and I didn’t feel like it worked. Or I feel like, you know, my triggers came back. Sometimes people will say that yeah.

And so I’m like, OK, let’s you know, give it a whirl with EMDR, with the eye movements and whether it’s eye movements or I, some people they do tactile, like tapping back and forth to get the bilateral stimulation, cause that’s what the EMDR is. And when they’re in the bilateral stimulation, a lot of times they’re already in a trance. And a lot of times when I see my clients are getting stuck, they’re getting stuck in an emotion like they. It’s not reducing in intensity or severity and it’s lasting for a chunk of session. I can honestly just throw in some hypnotic suggestions and switch it over into hypnosis and a lot of times that is what can push them over that hump. I am, I compare it to like you know you need that momentum to get over the speed bump.

A little bit Like you can’t slow down and just push your way through. You kind of have to push and get over that hump. And so with hypnosis I don’t find clients getting stuck, quote unquote the same way that EMDR was coming off as so I don’t do research, so I don’t know what that is or what is happening in the brain to create that. But I, you know, knowing how trance works, knowing what part of the brain I’m talking to, if needed I’ll kind of add in some hypnosis into the EMDR.

0:13:06 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, you’re the second person to say that. You’re like the third in a series of three around hypnosis and EMDR.

0:13:13 – Jaime
Yeah.

0:13:14 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, so if the listeners, if you guys want to listen to the other two, they’re right before this one.

I think it’s 294 and episode 295, you’re going to be episode 296. So you’re the second one to say that, like, the EMDR was needed, but somehow the hypnosis really put them over that hump, got them to where it wasn’t something that they had to do all the time, it really felt resolved to them and there’s a lot of progress made with the EMDR before that. So it’s not like someone’s not making any progress, but it’s just that hypnosis that really put them to a different level of healing. Absolutely, it’s fascinating. Sometimes I will get the call of someone who’s tried EMDR and they feel like, yes, it was useful, but it didn’t really get them to where they wanted to be, and so they’re coming for hypnosis. For that, yeah, can you give us an example, without breaking confidentiality, of course, but could you give us an example of a suggestion that you would make?

0:14:18 – Jaime
Yeah, a lot of times. What I would suggest that isn’t in an EMDR script, for instance, is a lot of times it’s about a past event or experience, or, if it’s not a specific event, it would be an emotion. So what I would ask the client is how old do you feel right now? Would ask the client is how old do you feel right now? And they’ll obviously say a younger age, because we’re dealing with something further back and then I’ll say okay, so the version of you sitting in front of me, I’d like you to talk to that fill in the blank age and tell them whatever it is that they need to hear, because the version of you sitting in front of me, you are living proof that you get through this, that it does end. So what would you tell that younger version of you? And a lot of times that’s what helps move the client through the event or move them through the emotion. Is that reminder that, oh, I I’m not five anymore, oh, I’m not in front of this, let’s say, abusive person anymore?

0:15:34 – Dr. Liz
Yeah.

0:15:35 – Jaime
So I really like to give them um, like a physical image of big them and little them, like a physical image of big them and little them meeting and then pulling them the younger version forward.

0:15:48 – Dr. Liz
Oh, I love it. That’s very much something I do in hypnosis, for sure, so you may be processing it. Starting out with EMDR is what I’m hearing, but you’re seeing the sort of the stuck point of an EMDR doesn’t do that, I guess. Right, I’m not trained in EMDR.

I never really wanted to be for the listeners. It’s an extensive, expensive training, like it’s years typically for someone to get certified in EMDR. It’s a serious commitment, and so I’ve really just never wanted to do it because I have the hypnosis piece that I find fits me really well as a therapist and is so effective. So, emdr, you’re not doing that type of work then, where you’re really speaking to the younger self. Is that correct?

0:16:36 – Jaime
Correct, it’s very much. There’s a lot of using the front part of the brain. I describe it so it’s a lot of cognitive, the front part of the brain, I describe it so it’s a lot of cognitive, rational thinking. Okay, and so a rational mind wouldn’t be like oh, I’m going to talk to my inner child now. I mean I do. I will say I do have some EMDR only clients where they start that dialogue all by themselves, like it just kind of happens in their brain. But that’s not necessarily something that’s pushed or taught in the training for EMDR. So that’s where I, to me, it really helps full circle, the whole experience of what we’re processing in the first place. That’s where I personally think hypnosis does a great job of that. At least the training that I’ve received as well really reinforced that. Yes, but no, emdr doesn’t push for that.

Dream Interpretation

0:17:36 – Dr. Liz
Okay, very interesting. Yeah, I’m going to switch topics here for a moment. I see that you also do some dream interpretation. Oh, yes, yeah, can you talk about that part of your practice?

0:17:50 – Jaime
Yeah, absolutely. I describe people’s sleep as it’s a reflection of your daytime. So if you’re getting restless sleep, if you’re waking often, or if you’re sleeping all night long but you feel like you wake up still tired, I’m like, well, what’s going on in your daytime that’s making you feel so restless, you know? And a lot of times they’re like oh yeah, you know this is causing anxiety or stress or whatever, and so our dreams are, you know. It’s that’s where I think EMDR was helpful, because it’s really reminding us dreaming is very important. That’s why the bad bilateral stimulation exists in EMDRs, because it’s trying to mimic the REM sleep stage. It’s trying to enforce this while you’re awake, obviously, and you’re focused on something, but you’re you’re mimicking what your brain would be doing If it was dreaming. Dreams are very important. They they help digest our days events. So we wake up feeling essentially refreshed and ready for the day and I can recall yesterday, but it feels emotionally neutral.

You know I’ll remember. Oh yeah, I was angry yesterday when this happened, or I was really heartbroken when this happened, but I can recall that event and I can feel neutral. I’m no longer activated and carrying that with me Now. Obviously, with life, sometimes we need a little bit more than like a good night’s sleep to get through it, or again if we have a restful sleep, then that REM stage wasn’t hit and it just wasn’t doing the trick. And so I’ll have so many clients come and they’ll be like oh my gosh, these, you know the dreams.

I think our cognitive mind, our awake mind, takes them so literal, you know they’re like, why am I doing such horrible? Takes them so literal, you know they’re like why am I doing? Such horrible, like gruesome things in this dream, and then people really internalize that like something’s wrong with me or I’m truly a mean person, or you know, if my imagination can go to this length, then what does that say about me?

And so interpreting those symbols and those images is a way to remind you. It’s not literal you know, it’s trying to again. It’s invoking something that’s going on in your day, not literally the images you saw in your dream, but let’s look up the symbols and and read in between the lines of what your subconscious is trying to tell you yeah, oh great.

0:20:21 – Dr. Liz
I didn’t realize that’s part of how EMDR evolved or was developed. It was from that REM state, like I remember the creator of it was originally trained in hypnosis, actually, yeah, and she followed this, but I didn’t realize that it’s tapping.

0:20:40 – Jaime
I don’t think it was like consciously, cause I remember she had fell onto it, you know, just with walking, and she noticed her eyes were going back and forth. Yes, but as we also know, in REM sleep, that’s what your eyes are doing.

0:20:55 – Dr. Liz
Right, they’re going back and forth.

0:20:56 – Jaime
Back and forth, yeah, and when we see the brain waves of what’s happening, like what, what’s connecting and what’s matching up in our brain, that’s the why for that eye movement.

0:21:13 – Dr. Liz
Okay, all right. So then you relate it to that in terms of working with clients around the dream interpretation. Are they just spontaneously bringing that to you or people calling you up, like I’ve had some really bad dreams?

I don’t know. I know, right, it depends. I have yeah, I have some people. It’s just an email and they’re like hey, you know what the heck.

0:21:39 – Dr. Liz
Or like a reoccurring dream.

0:21:39 – Jaime
for example, they’re like oh man, I’ve been having this for years, since I was a kid, and blah, blah, blah. Yes, and so it’s more just. They want to understand either why it’s coming back or this creepy thing that really bothered them For my clients. It’s great I mean because I see them on a regular basis. They can just tell me in session and then I’ll just shoot them an email or tell them at the next session. Hey, this is what this was meaning.

You know, this is what this actually meant and this is what might else be going on, you know, in your conscious day-to-day thinking. And so it’s great, because, first, it always is reassuring, because, again, it’s never literal, you know. I think we focus on. Oh, my gosh, you know, I said this to my mom in my dream and why would I say that you know and I’m like, no, like your mom isn’t actually your mom in your dream so like let’s reel it back, um, and then it’s.

It’s again just helpful, I think, for the reoccurring dreams to to really remind them. Okay. Well, something is coming up again, like you’ve been through this again so a lot of times. That’s what a reoccurring dream is. It’s like something that’s reminding you, and then this is where you have to figure out what the symbols are showing you in the dream. Something is reminding you of that and you’re repeating those same mistakes. You’re repeating the same events, the train of thought, whatever it is, and so it. It’s kind of helpful for people to understand the why. Okay, yeah, okay.

0:23:07 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, I have found over the years that I have personal symbols develop and some of them are more universal. So, oh sure, you know it’s a both right. But when I dream of a house, it which doesn’t happen that often but when I dream of a house and I know that, like that’s me, that’s happening, and so sometimes it’s like this beautiful house that I’ve discovered and it’s like, oh, awesome. And sometimes it’s the same house that I’ll see and it’s like, oh, my gosh, it’s that house, the one I love. And then this is a couple months ago.

I dreamed of a house that was being pulled apart almost like in a tornado. The floorboards were coming up and you know all of this stuff. I was looking through like old pictures and finding pictures of like from when my mother was a child, like this type of thing, and I had been doing a lot of cleaning out, like decluttering, and literally going through some photo albums that were like print albums and trying to decide whether I should scan those or just keep them. Or you know, these days they say, oh, don’t, don’t keep print albums, I just like to keep all of them, by the way.

0:24:23 – Jaime
You didn’t want to, Marie Kondo those.

0:24:27 – Dr. Liz
I mean even some of them. I was trying to pick out the pictures that were relevant but then you lose the story of it. Like old photo albums yeah, have a sequence to them, normally, where there’s a story, even if, like this picture by itself doesn’t look like anything like what is part of that story, that reminds you of what the picture three down is doing. So, anyway, that was a really interesting one where I woke up and was like, oh, of course, you know things are sort of being deconstructed right now and, yes, doubt, and you know that’s what’s going on.

Yeah, when you have someone coming to you for trauma, are their dreams often disturbed? I mean, that’s one of the criteria sometimes for PTSD is these nightmares and do you feel like the EMDR really addresses that or the hypnosis? Better? Just give a little background with my CBTI so cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia, certification and training. They give us a specific protocol to work with nightmares and dreams, bad dreams for someone’s having if they’re having PTSD. It’s literally like a nightmare protocol that we follow, but it’s from a CBT perspective, it’s not from an EMDR or hypnosis perspective. Does EMDR give a certain protocol for that for someone having traumatic dreams?

0:26:02 – Jaime
There’s so many different protocols they have. There may be one specific board dreams. I know prior to my hypnosis certification I did just an EMDR session on someone with a disturbing dream. That really was. You know they came to session there. That was really all they could focus on. You know we had to kind of table the other issues.

0:26:23 – Dr. Liz
Yeah.

0:26:24 – Jaime
And so I was like all right, let’s just process this. So we did the eye movements. You know we’re processing and going through it and they were able to, in that session, luckily move through whatever the intensity was so they could leave session no longer caring how intense it was. So they were at least closer to that neutral level right, like they had woken up, right yeah.

0:26:53 – Dr. Liz
Okay, so it’s more a personal interest of yours that you’ve developed over the years versus like specific EMDR training or hypnosis.

0:27:04 – Jaime
Yeah, absolutely. It’s something like I’ve done dream interpretation just as a hobby, honestly, with all of my friends and family since I was little, and so then on my own, you know, going to all the trauma therapy and different trainings and you know, all the CEU trainings, sleep and dreams get brought up just inadvertently and whatever capacity that specific training is describing.

0:27:31 – Dr. Liz
Yes.

0:27:31 – Jaime
But the common themes are always the same you know, the common themes of why we dream or why we do or don’t remember dreams, you know. So it’s that to me is just collecting more data to reinforce why dreams are so important and why some. You know there are some reasons why we remember them, some reasons why we don’t, some reasons why people think they do or don’t dream you know what?

I mean, and so I think everyone kind of has different theories depending on which training you’re going to, but it’s true, you know, but I think the common themes are always the same, because it’s still, I mean, it’s sleep, ultimately, is what we’re dealing with like we’re dealing with sleep and we’re dealing with how your brain is trying to recover, because that’s what sleep is for right.

0:28:24 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, it is. It’s trying to recover, it’s trying to process. Yeah, it’s doing all kinds of physiological types of clean out, as well as emotional. I mean, the emotions are based in the physiological, ultimately, like the molecules. The emotions affect us molecularly, like they are actual physiological processes going on in us. So, yes, the brain is doing all that good stuff during sleep. What is your take on someone who doesn’t remember their dreams? Like inevitably, I ran into someone who says I never remember my dreams.

0:29:02 – Jaime
Oh yeah, I have. So many people would do that too. Yeah, again, a variety of reasons. Maybe they’re not reaching REM sleep, for whatever reason, because there are those restless sleepers and they’re not getting enough sleep.

Um, you work with people who have insomnia, so likewise, I do as well, and so that’s why I’m like, well, you know, maybe we’re just the duration isn’t getting you there.

Um, sometimes too, just knowing how the brain works with trauma or intense emotions because ultimately that’s what trauma is, or what trauma’s bottom line is is something really intense happened, and now I have this residue of this feeling, right? And so, let’s say, your dream was invoking terror or fear, and your brain knows, you know, if Jamie feels any more fear, it’s just going to derail her, like she. She can’t handle it because she’s still in an abusive relationship, or she’s still going to wake up to fill in the blank issue that’s going on, and she hasn’t yet even processed all that old stuff. So your brain will, quote unquote, choose to forget, because it’s trying to protect you. You know, um, in therapy world they would call it dissociation. You know, but it’s just your brain’s way of saying I’m just, I’m just not going to remember that, because if Jamie does, then it’s too much and we need to stay alive, we need to get through our day.

So let’s just not remember. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, you know. It doesn’t mean we won’t remember later. It just means we just can’t right now. It’s too much.

0:30:45 – Dr. Liz
Okay, yeah, got it. I like that. Yeah, I. I agree that’s usually protective. I mean, sometimes people are on any of the sleep medications suppress REM, so that’s something to know too. Some of the antidepressants suppress REM. That’s also something to know that people typically do not know that before they start taking them. And again, not anti antidepressant at all, I think they’re very helpful, honestly, when needed, but it is something to know that sometimes that’s what’s happening is you’re actually not getting REM or a whole lot of it. It’s not like it takes it away completely, but you’re not getting a whole lot of it. So, yeah, so you’re not going to remember your dreams as much, but absolutely, I often think that suppression is protective of someone, because we do need sleep to function. We know that, and so people feel really crazy, for lack of a better term, when they don’t get enough sleep like really agitated, irritable, depersonalized, like they’re not really in themselves.

0:31:58 – Jaime
Yeah, I’m flashing back to like early motherhood here, like that sleep deprivation period.

0:32:06 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, and it’s like, oh my God, no wonder I wasn’t a better mother, like I was so sleep deprived.

0:32:13 – Jaime
Well, and I think that’s why so many parents of older children don’t remember, you know that they’ll say that right. They’ll say I don’t even remember those first few years, or they’ll look back and just think everything was fine, because again, their brain is just like blacked out. I’m like the opposite Sleep deprivation, I know.

0:32:34 – Dr. Liz
I don’t. I’m pretty sure I don’t need treatment for it. But I’m the opposite. I’m like no, thank you Right, never want to go back to early motherhood, oh my gosh. Like yeah, it’s hard. It’s hard, but you know, I had a postpartum depression with both of mine wasn’t.

0:32:53 – Jaime
It’s the happy mom, so I know You’re like it was wonderful.

0:32:57 – Dr. Liz
I know.

0:32:58 – Jaime
I’m like they just don’t remember. They were too tired. Their brain put up a block?

0:33:02 – Dr. Liz
Exactly, yeah, exactly, yes. So this has been a really interesting interview. I’ve learned along the way myself and can you tell people how to find you and also talk about your podcast? You’re on how many episodes like in the 70s or 80s?

0:33:21 – Jaime
I think we’re in the 80s. How many years?

0:33:25 – Dr. Liz
does that translate to a couple years?

0:33:28 – Jaime
Yeah, so my podcast is called the Shrink Show Podcast and it’s honestly just anything that is of interest. So it’s a little bit of therapy, it’s a little bit of, like you know, the spiritual side of things and and just interesting stories that full circle, all of that.

So that’s on. You know, the spiritual side of things and and just interesting stories, that full circle all of that. So that’s on. You know any and all of your podcast platforms, yes, and my practice. So I’m in private practice in Omaha, Nebraska. So that’s where I’m licensed to provide mental health therapy. I’m also licensed in the state of Illinois for telehealth clients and then if folks are just interested in hypnosis only so like past life regression or just hypnosis only, that can be anywhere if you want to do telehealth. So my practice is enlightened counseling and healing. The website is enlightenedomahacom and that’s on all the socials as well at enlightened Omaha.

0:34:30 – Dr. Liz
Great, great. So how often do you find that a trauma is related to a past life? Like does that come up?

0:34:39 – Jaime
Yeah, it has come up. It depends again on the client. So past life regression sessions are typically, for me at least, just like a one and done. They’re not my ongoing clients. Of course, now I do have some ongoing clients that are like, oh cool, you do this, let’s just give it a whirl. Yeah, um. But I have had some people were like, oh, like, we’re just here for the trauma, you know, we’re just doing hypnosis for the trauma. And then, as we’re, you know, as I’m doing that thing that I mentioned earlier, where I’m like, hey, let’s talk to that younger, fill in the blank feeling or age or whatever their subconscious was like, oh, I’m in a castle and I’m like, hmm, I’m okay.

So in my head I’m like we’re not’m in a castle and I’m like, hmm, I’m okay. So in my head I’m like we’re not obviously in Nebraska anymore. We moved on, and so I’ll ask you know like what’s the year? What’s going on? What’s your name, like describe who you are. And so even they were like, huh, you know, surprise, yeah. But I’m sure, as you’ve experienced, you’re doing hypnosis and for clients or listeners, I mean, who are like how, how do you know it’s? You know when you’re saying the truth and you know when you’re saying a lie. You know we, we know what that feels like, and so when a client happens to do that, they’ll have that moment of no.

0:36:03 – Dr. Liz
this is, this is happening you know, and they’ll answer me yeah.

0:36:08 – Jaime
And so I’m just asking questions, because I’m also just as curious and I’m also trying to figure out where they are, so I know what is happening. So, I’m just like clarify for me, describe to me you know.

0:36:21 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, same experience here. It’s like the first time that happened, it was spontaneous, with the client going back to early childhood, and then they jumped back into a different timeline. It was clearly not the current timeline. We were not in the present, no, but it is a very interesting process, and how I explain it sometimes is we only have a hypothesis where this, let’s say, a belief that’s not working for you comes from often with the trauma. Sometimes it’s a hypothesis as well. That’s what I say.

It’s like we think it’s from this and sometimes we even become very sure it’s from that. But once we get in there with hypnosis, we keep an open mind because the trauma may have happened some other time outside of your conscious awareness and then got compounded by the one you do remember. So when we’re doing that, it’s like, oh yeah, sometimes they go further back, a different timeline. It’s interesting, yeah. So when we’re doing that, it’s like, oh, yeah, sometimes they go further back, a different timeline. It’s interesting, yeah. But yeah, there are those calls too. They want to do just the past life regression. So thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate your time and your wisdom and it’s really been a pleasure.

0:37:43 – Jaime
Absolutely. Thanks again for having me.

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