Hypnotist Kati Lambert started out as an exercise physiologist working in hospitals for 30 years before doing hypnosis full-time. She shares her extensive experience working with chronic medical conditions. We also discuss how she used hypnosis to decrease side-effects she was having when she was on a GLP-1 and the potential for hypnosis to be very useful for people on GLP-1s wanting the change in their eating habits for when they are off of them.

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Transcript

0:00:03 – Dr. Liz

Hi everyone. Dr Liz here. I met Katie in person after I had moved to Jacksonville, which is in North Florida. I was looking around for other people doing hypnosis in the area, just to connect with them and see what specialties they have. Often therapists and hypnotists and hypnotherapists will refer to each other if they have certain specialty areas. And I found Katie and we just hit it off. So I said hey, why don’t you come on the podcast? Because she does quite a bit of medical hypnosis, which I don’t do as much of.

Now there is some kind of sound going on in the background of her audio. I never could figure out what it was, but I don’t think it’s so distracting that I was going to not air the interview. In fact, you may not even hear it, but I thought I would mention it for those people who are more sound sensitive. I thought she gave great information during the interview. And then we also talk about the GLP-1s and support around them and weight loss. That’s right around 30 minutes or so, in case you want to skip ahead. So I thought that was really interesting information for people to hear as well. So I went ahead and decided to air it. Let’s jump into it. I hope you’re healthy and safe Peace.

0:01:32 – Dr. Liz

Hi Katie, welcome to the hypnotize me podcast.

0:01:36 – Dr. Liz

Thank you, I’m so happy to be here. I appreciate it.

0:01:39 – Dr. Liz

Yes, absolutely so. Let’s jump in with how you actually got involved with hypnosis.

0:01:57 – Dr. Liz

Oh boy. So the short version of that is I. My first exposure to hypnosis was back in graduate school and I was getting my master’s in exercise physiology and I thought I had, literally thought I had a learning disability. I failed my master’s boards epically. I was just so nervous and so just paralyzed and probably six years later I was bumping up against the deadline when you have to get it done, and I saw a sports psychologist and essentially we did hypnosis and I put this on my website. I tell everybody. I heard words coming out of my mouth. I didn’t even know.

I knew I was so I was impressed with myself, and so I passed epically, got my master’s and awesome.

0:02:42 – Dr. Liz

Is it an oral exam? (Yes, oh, it’s oral. )Oh geez, those are hard.

0:02:48 – Dr. Liz

You get the opportunity to prepare your answers. You get a whiteboard, some paper and pencils not even pens and we presented to the dean of the program and the medical director for Loyola Medical School. So that’s not intimidating.

I had moved to Denver, Colorado at that time too, so I flew back a couple of times to take it and just couldn’t, I couldn’t do it. So it took me a while. And then I’ve always been interested in complementary medicine and different techniques and different treatments out there besides pharmaceuticals or invasive techniques, and so hypnosis just kind of fell into that. I started studying more along the spirituality path for a while Mediumship, intuitive diagnoses, just intuition in general and met some amazing people, people who worked for NASA, people who have been developing this in the UK for years, and really just kind of fell into it. It was kind of divine intervention in my mind and finally just being absolutely 150% clear on my focus and my direction and my purpose okay, so this is how many years boards um, I passed, yes, I passed my boards in 1993.

Dr. Liz
Yeah, yeah, oh, wow, a long time ago, okay, I was, yeah, so then you were working as an exercise physiologist In medical in some way shape or form.

0:04:41 –  Dr. Liz

I started off working in surgery and then in different places around the hospital where I did my internships and loved it, loved it, loved it. So I was doing cardiac and pulmonary rehab, inpatient and outpatient. Moved into doing medical fitness as a trainer, working only with people who had a diagnosis of something or post-surgery pain management that type of thing not hardcore, you know bodybuilding training, really helping them heal beyond physical therapy and just keep getting stronger, and so that that medical and that creative side of it just flowed really well yeah.

0:05:31 – Dr. Liz

When you started getting into hypnosis, like intuition and stuff during those years that you were more in the medical field, would you have intuition about a patient, like what they needed or what caused this or something, maybe even spiritual, going on with them?

0:05:49 – Kati

Yes, I haven’t really ever said that out loud because in those days you didn’t really talk about it. In medicine, yeah, yes, I could. I’ve always been intuitive and very empathic. I spent a lot of time just bedside with patients, yeah, just being there holding space for them depending on what was going on, and sometimes praying with them, sometimes just I didn’t really let them know what I was noticing. At that point I was also studying Carolyn Mace. I don’t know if you’re familiar with her, but she is a medical intuitive. She works with Dr Bernie Siegel at out of Harvard with a 98% rate, a success rate for medical excuse me, intuitive diagnosis. Really.

0:06:41 – Dr. Liz

Yes, meaning like they can’t really figure out what’s going on, or she would call it beforehand and she’d always be right.

0:06:49 – Kati

She would call it alongside while they were doing the medical diagnostics, ok, and then she worked alongside them saying, hey, here’s what I’m getting, here’s what I’m thinking and feeling, and then they would compare that to the medical diagnostics.

Or if you could use it to enhance it, because we know science is now finally catching up to this that all conditions and diagnoses have an energetic component, right, something to the effect of I have shoulder pain. Why might that be? That might be because I’m feeling a lot of pressure and taking the world on my shoulders. That could be anxiety that’s just manifesting in a physical way. Yeah, so, as you know, right, it starts still starts in our minds With pain starts in our mind. It’s just becomes physically manifest wherever it shows up in the body. Yes, so we can use that by speaking with with patients or about what their journey has been, what’s going on with them emotionally, physically, spiritually, mentally use all of those different pieces to intuit what we believe is going on. Now, I do not diagnose, I don’t treat. I don’t diagnose, I do not make recommendations on a course of treatment, physical treatment. I work strictly on a referral basis with medical and mental health providers, so I am part of their care team.

0:08:24 – Dr. Liz

And these days they’re not seeing you for PT, they’re seeing you for hypnosis. Say that again, please. They’re seeing you for hypnosis.

0:08:34 – Kati

They are seeing me for hypnosis. That’s correct. Primarily, the way I can describe it is I work a lot with people who have feelings of anxiousness. Whatever is causing those feelings chronic illness, chronic pain and the effects of those diagnoses and treatments.

0:08:54 – Dr. Liz

Okay, so chronic pain, you said chronic diagnoses, chronic illness.

0:09:01 – Kati

Chronic illness. Yes, Like autoimmune disorders IBS, irritable bowel syndrome is a big one A lot with gut health and you know autoimmunity starts in our gut, right. Yeah, we know our mind and our gut have such a connection. There’s a lot that people can do to heal all of that or not minimize the symptoms.

0:09:26 – Dr. Liz

Let me get clear. So you’re saying there’s a lot through hypnosis they can do to heal some of those symptoms.

0:09:34 – Kati

Yes, a good way I can describe it is if you’re healing your mind, you can heal your body Right?

0:09:44 – Dr. Liz

Yes, there’s interaction Like I. I do the IBS protocol out of um University of North Carolina medical school and is actually the most effective treatment on the market, far more than any medication for difficult to treat IBS. Yes, and so there was a time where I was getting referrals from the IBS clinic in Stanford the top doctor there so they would come to me when it’s like okay, they’ve done everything and they need this extra step. Let’s say that would really help them. I actually didn’t have any cases that weren’t helped by the treatment. It’s not going to take away a IBS, although there is a medical hypnosis practitioner who told me once, like off the record I won’t say her name because it was off the record but she said you know, we’re not supposed to say we can cure things like legally we can do that. So when he could see you or something, but she’s like, okay, if I do this, and then all the symptoms of IBS go away and they don’t return for 10 years, what would you call that? He just sort of laughed right, I got it. We live in a culture today where legally we cannot say some things, but we do have that direct experience of hypnosis truly, truly helping patients on a different level than they’ve gotten from the, let’s say, medical community, meaning MDs, yes, and some of the MDs are better than others.

I shared with you when I met you that I have a daughter with IBS and some strange symptoms that the Mayo Clinic is trying to figure out in Jacksonville, and her GI doctor was fantastic. When we got we got a new GI doctor and we thought we had an adequate doctor for many years, but finally I was like this is bullshit. Like you know, this is the last time he’s going to say this is anxiety. And so we got a new one who I literally cried at the end of the appointment because she explained everything, it was so thorough and said yes, of course anxiety affects this. Like, absolutely, you’ve got to handle on that. You’ve got to go to treatment, whether that’s hypnosis or cognitive behavioral therapy or whatever therapist you want to see. There’s an interaction there. But she didn’t say, like your anxiety is causing your IBS. So you know, that’s that Go away.

0:12:27 – Kati

That’s how some doctors are you know, oh, and it’s such a vicious cycle too, Knowing what I know now and how much hypnosis has helped me personally with so many conditions, because in my family if you have one diagnosis, you probably have 10 for different reasons.

Mostly autoimmune issues. But having experienced it myself and witnessed it and I do try my best to keep up on the research, right now I think I have a bibliography of about 850 citations Whoa research in some shape or form on the use of hypnosis in different applications wow, including newborns and I don’t know how you do it with newborns, but there’s some research on that.

Dr. Liz
What are they doing with newborns?

Kati
It’s more just calming them If they’re highly anxious. They’ve used it in some cases with babies whose mom has been addicted to drugs, so they come into the world addicted. They’ve been able to show some good results with that just calming their nervous system down.

0:13:41 – Dr. Liz

I’m trying to picture it because I volunteered at the NICU down at Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital in Hollywood for over a year holding babies. Yes, so I would be sometimes put in the unit with the babies that were drug addicted. They were born drug addicted and they were weaning off um, weaning off right, and then they have this particular cry that’s so sad and you know it just has a certain tone to it. That’s like whoa, that’s a drug-addicted baby. So I’m picturing this like are the practitioners piping in the music or are they holding the baby and murmuring to them and trying to reassure them and giving hypnotic suggestions?

0:14:28 – Kati

I think that’s more of yes, it’s partially what they were doing, yeah, you know, and that I just want a good mom does.

Yeah, right, well, if they’re not drug addicted yeah, even in that case, they may still that energy, right, the baby still feels that energy at conception. Yes, they feel that they absorb all of that, right? What? What, mom and dad? And the environment outside the womb? What’s happening? Yes, so they can even come into the world feeling anxious, not recognizing it, of course, in an anxious, heightened neurologic state, and not know, not know why, yes, right. Or mom doesn’t necessarily know why. You know, I don’t know that we always ask about what that environment is like.

And that’s one of the reasons I don’t personally practice it, but I believe that hypnobirthing is so beautiful that moms can be in that nice, relaxed, calm state for pain management, for anxiety, for fears, for all of the things that I imagine makes the birth experience traumatic and so how lovely that they can, that they can do that.

0:15:47 – Dr. Liz

Yeah, I took hypnobirthing with my second and um. I had a pretty traumatic birth anyway, but it was not because of the hypnobirthing. Like the hypnobirthing was actually amazing. It was before I was trained in hypnosis, actually oh really oh yeah, and so my doula was actually the hypnobirthing teacher. She’d see me like pop out of the trance. The pain would go off the scale and I’d be like, oh my God, I can’t do this. And she’s like most calming woman in the world.

Okay let’s get back into trance. She said, let’s just count down and I take a breath, I go back into trance and she’d be like waves, as contractions are called, waves in the birthing, and I’d go right back in and the pain would go right back down to like a two. Yeah yeah, it was no fault of my own or hers or anybody’s actually that I wasn’t able to give natural birth, but I remember the hypnobirthing experience so clearly.

0:16:53 – Kati

Oh, that’s beautiful.

0:16:55 – Dr. Liz

Oh yeah, speaking of research, when they do research on pain control in the brain, they know that it looks identical to drugs pain drugs in the brain.

0:17:08 – Kati

The brain doesn’t know any different, we’re just perceiving it differently, yes, and or not allowing those pain pathways, the pain signals to get through. We can block those with directed suggestion, directed focus, guided focus. Because what’s happening if your brain’s not, your mind, isn’t focusing on the physical sensation, your mind doesn’t know the difference right Between the reality and the visualization. And so how beautiful is that that we can actually learn to turn down the volume, and I love teaching, I teach everyone self-hypnosis, especially for pain. You know, control room of the mind or other mechanisms like that, where you can learn how to control that pain. Working with me, that, okay, we’ll teach them how to turn up that pain just a little bit, not so much that it’s terrifying, but that they can understand the power of their own mind. Oh yeah, they can control that. It just have to. You can drop into that state Anytime you wish and go there and just reset, refocus, and you know, if you’re not noticing it, it won’t register yes, right, the focus is somewhere else.

Yes, there has been some really amazing research. Like you mentioned stanford, of course that’s you know the mac daddy of research.

It is and it is beautiful what they’re doing out there in Harvard and Oxford and all over the world they’re doing great research. I was just at a conference this past weekend in Orlando, a medical and dental hypnosis conference, and there’s a woman and I cannot pronounce her last name, she’s Swedish, also a nurse. She was presenting on her work at one of the hospitals out there that she works in wound care and she works in anesthesia alongside the anesthetist on pain management and so they are doing wound care there strictly using hypnosis.

0:19:25 – Dr. Liz

And what are they starting to find?

0:19:30 – Kati

Well, they’re finding that the patients I want to call them patients, not clients. Again, same thing with guided meditation and refocused attention they’re able to do some very painful, what normally would be very painful wound care, like degrading wounds and they have to clean them. She works with people who have severe burns also can be very, very painful, and so she can help them, help her patients, moderate that pain and tamp it down during those procedures.

0:20:02 – Dr. Liz

Oh my gosh, wow, wow. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Dabney Ewin. He passed away a couple of years ago.

He was a doctor out of New Orleans and he would get calls to the ER for guys coming off the oil rigs with severe burns and he would do hypnosis with them in those very first critical hours and the research he published was the wounds would heal faster. They’d grow hair back where they shouldn’t be able to, like it was all around. How do we help these wounds heal faster really and the patient obviously feel better and come out of pain. So it reminds me of that research on wound care, but you’re saying it’s also tolerating procedures tolerating procedures.

0:20:57 – Kati

As you know, if you’ve even had a burn on your hand or finger or something, they’re very painful, oh yeah, and the just the heightened state of anxiety thereby increases pain levels right. There’s that whole cycle, the more anxious you have the fears of, you know, possibly fears of needles, white coat syndrome, if you want to call it a syndrome, it’s even the, you know, the anticipatory fear, anticipatory pain.

Yeah, and so we can catch that on the front end kind of like when I work and I’m sure you do too with, like just pre-surgery oh yeah, just the anxiety that people feel sometimes, or anxiousness, pre-surgery, all the unanswered questions, the what ifs, and we do quite a bit with that as well. We actually do a mental rehearsal several times of that actual day, of what that whole thing looks like, as if it’s reality again, and so it’s been pretty amazing. 1890s around that time they were using chloroform and ether for anesthesia, but they had a very hard time controlling it, and so patients wouldn’t necessarily make it through the surgeries or they had major complications, and so their nurse anesthetist started using hypnosis for anesthesia and they noticed the world noticed that their outcomes were better.

Their survival rates were had improved, fewer complications and that really helped to launch them as world renowned surgeons. We’re getting such amazing outcomes world-renowned surgeons Wow, they were getting such amazing outcomes. So if it worked back then thinking we can do some great work now.

0:23:14 – Dr. Liz

Absolutely right, like fundamentally, we are the same kind of human beings.

0:23:20 – Kati

Yes, or you know, if you have somebody who might be very sensitive to anesthesia. Yes, can’t take opiates. Uh-huh, there’s still more.

0:23:33 – Dr. Liz

I know that they’ve really cracked down on prescribing opiates I can’t take opiates at all. Yeah, they make me so sick, do they?

0:23:40 – Kati

yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, they can be wicked. Uh, a friend of mine was. She just had a transplant a kidney transplant, right and she was taking oxycodone and was starting to feel a little anxious that oh, I don’t know. It’s been six months now, maybe I don’t need to be taking this anymore. And she was had some concerns that she might be dependent and her doctor said oh, don’t worry about it, just keep taking them. Dependent.

0:24:08 – Dr. Liz

And her doctor said oh, don’t worry about it, Just keep taking them. We’ll worry about that later. Oxycodone is 10 days, 10 days to addiction is the research on it.

0:24:15 – Kati

Yeah, she asked me to work with her on that, um to help her with any symptoms that she may or may not have.

Sometimes, you know, we can fabricate some symptoms as well, but like weaning off of it and tolerating. I use the word tolerating but it’s not really tolerating. It’s moving into a more relaxed state and not fearing any pain that may occur or reduce it naturally through hypnosis, through the suggestions.

You know her, her doctor is aware of it. You know, please make sure that he knows that this is what we’re doing.

Yeah, and so we are kind of reversing the anticipation of symptoms coming on and that fear of, oh no, what happens if I get, if I feel something? Well, okay, you have no way of knowing that you will feel something If you feel something different. This is how we’ll work through it. Work through it that way, with very positive and powerful suggestions, affirmations, visualization, and we work through the day of. This is just how it will be and you know, you have the confidence that this will always be manageable if anything arises. So we don’t get into that spiral of oh wait, I felt assuming, yeah, assuming.

0:25:37 – Dr. Liz

Correct yeah Right, assuming that pain’s going to be there. It may not.

0:25:42 – Kati

Correct Not manufacturing something that may or may not really be there physically correct right she’s not hallucinating it and she’s oh yeah, she’s just hyper, hyper, hyper alert.

0:25:55 – Dr. Liz

I’ve worked with chronic pain patients before and I’ve had some myself and autoimmune myself. And you do get into this hyper vigilance of like is, is that, it is that it like, is that part of this, is that part of that, like all the questioning? And so to come out of that, actually I think hypnosis is a wonderful use to even relax the body, relax the mind, because when we get into that state, we do get like, we tense up, we get anxious or worried, we have concerns and, yeah, it’s hard to know sometimes.

0:26:38 – Kati

Well, I love how you said that I work quite a bit with people who have chronic inflammation, as do I, for your listeners sake. I have psoriatic arthritis and it’s in my fingers, I’m inflamed, and I’m so used to doing, just like you said, that progressive relaxation. I do a lot of meditation anyway. Yeah, back in the day when it all started in 1989, I literally could not walk for six months. It was that bad, wow. It was also misdiagnosed, and so I’m kind of like, if these are the symptoms I have now, it’s not a thing. And I went to actually saw my rheumatologist this morning and she was looking at my hands like you have active inflammation going on and I just I didn’t notice it because you don’t feel it.

0:27:28 – Dr. Liz

You don’t notice it. Wow, so during meditation are you giving yourself suggestions?

0:27:34 – Kati

Oh, yes, I have a couple of scripts that I wrote for myself and then I recorded them, so I rotate through those if I need to. Just in general, in meditation every day. I add in some suggestions in there about pain levels and how that feels.

0:27:55 – Dr. Liz

Wonderful how that feels right. Wonderful. I have arthritis in both knees. Yes, I had some pain in my hip recently and I was like oh my god, is this arthritis? It turned out to be bursitis, which is inflammation really. I didn’t know what bursitis was a week ago. So I called my friend, the pilates teacher, she knows so much about physiology.

0:28:20 – Kati

Yeah.

0:28:20 – Dr. Liz

Like I think that’s bursitis, you know, and she’s like you have to lay off the Peloton. I’m like no, because the exercise for me, really releases all kinds of endorphins and it just makes me literally feel better to tell someone that the inflammation is high, you have to rest. It’s like, oh, my God, you know, it’s all this weighing right. We all weigh the decisions we make. We weigh okay, let’s bring the inflammation down some so that you’re not in pain all the time. And how do you stay active at the same time? It’s hard.

0:29:02 – Kati

It is. And then you get into it’s easy to get into that. You know that fear cycle of, oh, I can’t exercise, it’s going to hurt, yes, Okay. And when we have that, the parts work right. That negotiation in your own mind about, well, I know I need to do this, work right. That negotiation in your own mind about, well, I know I need to do this, yeah, Okay, it’s going to hurt. Well, is it really? Does it have to? Maybe it doesn’t have to hurt?

0:29:24 – Dr. Liz

I love it.

0:29:25 – Kati

Knowing your levels right, so we can do quite a bit with exercise, motivation, and sometimes you know how we have the chatter in our mind right, all those swirling thoughts, yes, and that’s one of the things that I do quite often is okay, what’s that voice? Whose voice are you hearing right now? Oh, it’s my voice, okay. Well, if that pain is talking to you, what is it saying to you? Oh, it’s screaming at me, or it’s whispering, or whatever it is, at whatever level.

Okay well, what if? If who’s your favorite cartoon character? Let’s say I don’t know, donald duck, why not, okay? Well, what if that voice sounded like donald duck? Speak to yourself in donald duck’s voice. They usually will start laughing. Well, what’s it saying? Now, all this, this is ridiculous. Or it just helps to temper down that pain chatter in our minds? Yeah, I do that quite a bit with food noise too.

0:30:25 – Dr. Liz

Oh yeah, okay For food or people wanting to lose weight, or Okay.

0:30:32 – Kati

Yep. Oftentimes, when people are wanting to lose weight, they’re hearing that constant chatter of oh, I’m hungry, I’m hungry, oh, what am I going to have for dinner tonight? It’s still 9am. What am I going to have for dinner tonight? Oh, oh, I don’t know, just constantly thinking about food.

0:30:50 – Dr. Liz

Yeah. Or self-loathing.

0:30:51 – Kati

Yes, all of that, all that chatter that goes on. And then the self-loathing, because why am I thinking about food for so much? Why am I obsessed about food? Is there something wrong with me, right? No, it’s just old chatter in your mind. And that chatter down. Give it another voice so it doesn’t have so much power.

0:31:14 – Dr. Liz

Yes, I went on a medication for high pressure in my eye I was only on it for 10 days, because you can’t be on it long term and brought the pressure right down, but it took away food chatter Any listener of the podcast for a long time knows that I struggle with overeating throughout my life and the food chatter just went silent. Wow, yeah, yeah. And I said to my eye doctor, the ophthalmologist, when I went back. I was like, is this what it’s like to be on a GLP-1? It was not a GLP-1. I was like, is this what it’s like? And he just laughed and I was like, maybe this is what they’re talking about. The food chatter just went silent completely away and we were just sort of, you know, laughing about it. I think hypnosis actually is a very good use for that, because not everybody can be on the GLP-1s or wants to, because we don’t really know the long-term side effects of them yet.

0:32:19 – Kati

Right, Well, and I will share with you and your listeners that I did go on the terzeptide for a few months and I wasn’t really having food chatter. However, when I was on it suppressed my whole appetite completely, knocked it out to the point where I was having negative food chatter about oh, you don’t want to eat that, that’s, that’s going to be gross. It was almost, um, oh wow, nauseating thinking of food.

0:32:53 – Dr. Liz

No, very interesting, Kati.

0:32:58 – Kati

Isn’t that interesting. I say that a lot these days and I knew that couldn’t be good. You end up getting into starvation mode and your metabolism slows way down and it can get you can have that rebound effect happen very easily.

So I did actually did quite a bit of meditation around that and hypnosis, self-hypnosis around that as well that food is nutrition. Food is energy. You know food is good for your body and making better choices. I did have to force myself to eat, so I had to do a lot of self-encouragement. What good that did come out of that was getting me more into that habit of making better food choices and watching the amounts in a healthy way, so I didn’t stay on that very long. That’s a lot of what we do now too for people who might be on those medications and maybe don’t want to quit drinking or don’t want to quit the Doritos. Well, okay, you can have the Doritos. Well, let’s balance that out somewhere else to make sure you’re getting the right nutrition and the right amounts. And so we can do a lot in hypnosis with that about wise food choices.

0:34:15 – Dr. Liz

Look in all the research The doctors in the world are saying you still have to change the food patterns, even when you’re on them yes, well, that’s what, that’s physically what you’re buying a lot of hypnosis as a supplement to that.

I think some people have seen or feared. Some hypnotherapists have feared like oh, the hypnosis for weight loss is going to disappear now. And it’s like oh, one, no, it isn’t. Two, it’s a really good supplemental for someone who is on a GLP-1 and does want to change the food patterns and keep that as permanent habits.

0:34:55 – Kati

Yes, Permanent habits is the goal. I do work with several clients now that you know the way I can describe it is. If you don’t want to change those patterns, we can help with the motivation to get to a point of wanting to change them. Do you want to spend a little bit more money upfront for permanent change so that you can be successful permanently? Or do you want to keep spending the money on some very expensive medications without really understanding the long-term effects?

Yeah, I think that’s also a misnomer that, oh well, I’ll just I’ll switch to the semaglutide for maintenance and just stay on that for the rest of my life. Yeah well, we really still don’t know the long-term effects. They have some research on it that they know about.

0:35:47 – Dr. Liz

Yeah, we have, like, what’s the longest research on it? Is it even 10 years?

0:35:53 – Kati

I don’t believe so. No, yeah, I don so either. No, they haven’t done any longitudinal studies, right? So who?

0:36:00 – Dr. Liz

knows if someone can be on it the rest of their life. We don’t even really know if the rest of your life is 30 or 40 years. We actually don’t know that.

0:36:09 – Kati

Right. There might be some messages out there from some providers that say well, we don’t know any long-term risks, so there must not be any. It’s perfectly safe and healthy, which is not true. They don’t know.

0:36:25 – Dr. Liz

There’s no way. Yeah, to me that would be an unethical statement. Let’s say, my oldest daughter had a heart defect and had to have a implant at two and a half and the research on it was about 10 years old. That’s why I tipped it off in my brain and we we agreed to it because it was a the best option at the time, very non-invasive.

If she didn’t, she hadn’t had this then she would have had to have open heart surgery, you know, crack her chest and all that stuff which you can imagine for two and a half year old could be quite yeah, and I can imagine more complications, all of this. But we are very clear that the research was only about 10 years old and she would be part of the research moving forward, actually of you know, what do these devices do in adults and adulthood and all this stuff. And they said, well, we haven’t found yet any. You know major complications that are happening, but that doesn’t mean that there won’t be. So you know it’s the same kind of messaging here. I don’t think that kind of messaging is going on with the GOP ones, to be honest.

0:37:41 – Kati

No, it’s, it’s for sure not. And you know what? What I find frightening in that is that you know, then they have all of these sub pharmacies or sub you can just order it online for $10. It’s the same thing and, yeah, it’s not regulated that way.

Yeah, so I I have a lot of concerns about that. I think they can be very helpful. If someone chooses to be on those medications, it takes a mindset shift. Yes, there’s a lot underneath that. Right, and I’m not saying everybody is this way. If you have, I work quite a bit with some obesity medicine doctors. One of them told me flat out she says I doesn’t even refer to counselin.g Once I got up off the floor. She does not do, you know, any mental health in her practice. So I um working on that slowly with her. There’s a lot underneath that. And even if you know someone wants to lose 30, 40 pounds yeah, uh, sorry, I take that back release 30 or 40 pounds yeah, we’re using the word release right, release it, let’s, yes, just give it because,

0:38:53 – Dr. Liz

we don’t want to find it we really don’t want to find it later.

0:38:56 – Kati

I don’t want to go find it. Yeah, we’ll just release it, give it back to the universe. You can take it back and I’m okay with that.

0:39:07 – Dr. Liz

Yeah, for the listeners, we’re having a hypnosis joke here. Right, we’re very specific about our language. Yes, we don’t say weight loss, because you’re often looking for something you lost. We don’t want to find those 50 pounds again, so instead we say release, right, keeping that wherever it wants to go right?

0:39:33 – Kati

you don’t. It’s not pain, you have discomfort. What is your level of comfort or discomfort?

0:39:41 – Dr. Liz

I do use the word pain sometimes, because sometimes discomfort to me feels inauthentic. It’s like oh no, that’s pain. So I want to just validate in someone else too Like I get it. That is not always discomfort, but we’re moving towards feeling better, towards moving it into discomfort, towards moving it into relief, towards moving it into actually. I feel really good today.

0:40:11 – Kati

That’s always an interesting conversation with providers. I know there’s in the medical hypnosis community. There is a big push, big lobby about the words that we choose in healthcare and everywhere you go. What’s your level of pain? It’s right there in your face in the hospital room and there may be pain with this procedure. Don’t worry about it. We’ll give you medications and it’s pain, pain, pain, pain. This procedure, don’t worry about it, We’ll give you medications and it’s pain, pain, pain, pain. Yeah, Okay, and they have to. I recognize that. Yeah, that’s their language. It does give some, it does kind of anchor in oh well, then I must be, I’m going to have pain. So we anticipate that we will. So it’s. It’s been very interesting listening to those conversations about how we change the language that we use in what we do as hypnosis, as hypnotists. Yes, that can make a difference.

0:41:06 – Dr. Liz

Yes, it can. Yeah, agreed, so we are coming to the end of our time here. This has been a wonderful conversation. Is there anything else you want to let people know about the kind of medical hypnosis you do, and also where to find you if they like to work with you.

0:41:24 – Kati

Yeah, thank you. My website is wellmindedhypnosiscom. They can reach me online. My email is katie K-A-T-I at wellmindedhypnosiscom. Feel free reach out to me, schedule a 30-minute consult. We can chat about it. Even if you just want more information about what it can do and how I work, I just also want people to know that it’s so important, especially in certain states, like here in Florida. We work on a referral basis in partnership with clients’ providers. We want to be part of their care team. We’re constantly updating providers on what’s going on. Whatever information that my client approves me to share Usually it’s just, especially with discomfort levels that’s something we can manage. That’s something that we can measure. So, anything measurable, I do as much as I can about that Different perception scales, pain scales, quality of life, impact scales, scales, things like that that we really want to be able to help clients gain some freedom from chronic illness, chronic pain treatments, the effects of all of those things on that medical journey.

0:42:47 – Dr. Liz

Yes, wonderful. Yeah, and I would say you said before, preparing for surgery is a really important component of what you’re doing. Like to improve outcomes afterwards?

0:43:00 – Kati

yeah, yeah, before, during and after. It impacts your physical healing. Emotional healing yes, especially if it’s a big traumatic surgery or even if it’s not that level. Cortisol just stays so high in our brains and that impacts healing.

0:43:21 – Dr. Liz

It does. Yeah, Agreed. Since I’ve been trained in hypnosis, I have not had a surgery without doing my own hypnosis for myself. Yeah, Pre post that I listened to it. Can’t listen to it during. But you can use hypnotic techniques. I have one that I sell for cataract surgery to prepare for that, Because you have to be semi awake. Most people there’s some people due to certain conditions they’ll put under completely, but most people have to be semi awake and so that can be a little freaky. What I found is that after I use a recording, I can also use hypnotic techniques during the surgery.

Anyway, we will wrap up here. Thank you so much, Kati, for sharing that information. If you’d like to work with Kati, then you know how to reach her. You do online, correct, I do virtual.

0:44:10 – Kati

Yes, I absolutely do. It’s equally as effective online. And then I have two offices one office in Nocatee, florida, and one office in St Augustine.

0:44:19 – Dr. Liz

Florida. Okay, and that’s in North Florida For those of you who don’t know. Thank you so much for being on the podcast and sharing your wisdom with us today.

0:44:29 – Kati

Oh, it’s my pleasure. This was a blast.

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