Healer Dionne Eleanor joins us to discuss her unique healing method for trauma with the trifecta of the body, the mind, and relationships. We talk about our common background starting off as yoga teachers, what her method involves, and share some about how we run our businesses.
You’ll get some solid advice around how to find a good practitioner to help you on your healing journey.
Bonus: You’ll finally find out why Dr. Liz doesn’t have a professional FB page and what happened to her business after she deleted it.
About Dionne Eleanor
Dionne Eleanor is a global leader in integrative wellness and trauma-informed healing, known for her work in helping individuals heal emotional wounds and cultivate empowerment. She is the founder of The Body Sage Method and has over 14 years of international experience helping others heal. Dionne’s approach blends various techniques like Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) hypnosis, intergenerational trauma and ancestral healing, tantric philosophy, and somatic practices.
Contact Dionne at https://www.bodysageco.com
IG & Linked In: @DionneEleanor
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About Dr. Liz
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Transcript
0:00:01 – Dr. Liz
Hey everyone. Dr Liz, here I do not quite sound like myself because I am recovering from pneumonia the past 10 days so there has been a little bit of a delay on the podcast getting episodes out. But I finally have a little energy back and I wanted to air the interview I did with Dionne Eleanor. She is lovely and we talk all about her body sage method as well as wander into some business topics and some things that happened to us in our personal lives. So I hope you enjoy the interview as much as I enjoyed speaking with her. Hope you’re healthy and safe Peace. I hope you’re healthy and safe Peace.
0:00:53 – Dionne Eleanor
Hi Dionne, welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast. Hello, nice to be here.
0:00:56 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, I’m so glad we finally connected. We had a couple of reschedules in here because of both of our busy busy schedules, but finally, we’re here together yes. So why don’t you let the audience know um a little bit about yourself and then how it led to the method that you’ve created, the body sage method?
0:01:18 – Dionne Eleanor
okay, well, thank you. So, um, yeah, for those listening, my name is Dionne Eleanor. I was born in the UK from parents that I would say are dominantly from the Caribbean, so I would be considered first or first and a half generation born in the UK, and I share that because I think it has a significant part of the work that I’ve ended up doing today being very much focused around trauma-informed healing and integrative wellness. So the Body Sage Method, or the Body Sage, is my organization, and the Body Sage Method is really a combination of using rapid transformation therapy, which is a form of hypnotherapy, and combining that with somatic work and relationship skills training. You know it’s for me.
I don’t really feel like I’ve created the method. I’ve just put things together in a very specific way and called it my. You know, called it my own, because there is an order and a sequence to the way that I work. But I do want to give a lot of respect to my mentors that have, you know, taught me the original modalities, and I think that’s the way life goes right, where we are constantly evolving through case study, through research and through testing how things can help people, and so, with that, then, my focus is predominantly on women. I would say women 35 to 45, sometimes a little bit older, sometimes a little bit younger, and then I work with them and then I also work with their partners. So again, this comes back to why I call it a specific method.
So, rather than just doing the work with women, I integrate partner work or potential partner work, if they’re dated as part of the system, and my focus really is on helping women that have had some type of significant trauma or change connected with their bodies, especially around child release.
And I use child release very intentionally because there’s a huge focus in our world still on childbirth and I think it’s still a little bit of a taboo about things like miscarriage, abortion and child loss, and so I really support women in all of those areas, and saying child release rather than childbirth and loss just makes it easier to contain in in one sentence work with the women for a period of time in an area of empowerment and combination of. We’ll work together alternate weeks, and one week we’ll work with the mind, one week we’ll work with the body and then, after a certain period of time, then we’ll work with the mind. One week we’ll work with the body and then, after a certain period of time, then we’ll start to integrate work with the partner so that if they are in a relationship or they want to be in a relationship, so they’re not kind of going on this upward trajectory and evolving and their partner feels left behind, or then they’ve got issues then relating and integrating with the world um around them.
0:04:23 – Dr. Liz
So um, do you find the partners are very willing to do this with them, or do you have to sometimes, let’s say, encourage them?
0:04:36 – Dionne Eleanor
yeah, I mean it really is case by case. I would say that a lot of the time, um, in my experience, uh, the, the couples you know, when it comes to couples work, the partners being quite willing, um, and maybe, like a site had a silent desire, um, but the hurdle comes with just making sure that that partner feels that there’s a trust there and that I’m not going to just side with the female partner, especially because I’m in a female body and because they know that I’ve done a certain degree of work with the partner already. And so the way that I address that is through clear guidelines written in black and white before the clients work with me, about boundaries, about consent, about what’s shared, what is not, when it’s shared, when it’s not. And then I do have one-on-one sessions with.
Usually I’m working with heterosexual couples, not always I have worked with people of different sexual orientations and with that then we’re just looking at polarity, because there’s masculine and feminine energy in everybody, right, and so it’s just building that trust and having those one-on-one sessions with them so that they’ve got time to share things that they wouldn’t necessarily share in the sessions when their partner is present. And usually it happens all the time both ways, but definitely for the masculine partner they’re a little bit more reserved to share some things. And then what I can do is from those one-on-one sessions I can gracefully and artfully weave in some couples work that I focused on resolving some of the challenges that he might face.
0:06:16 – Dr. Liz
Okay, Got it? Where does your couples training come from? Did you train originally in couples and then this evolved as part of this method? Or or you just found like, oh, this is really necessary part of the work that I’m doing yeah, I would say that it’s.
0:06:34 – Dionne Eleanor
It’s a case that I found that was really necessary. Before starting this, I my very first wellness modality was actually teaching yoga, so a lot of people know me around the world for teaching yoga and meditation, and before that I was in corporate and so that gave me a good foundation of awareness of the body, mindfulness and just getting into the industry in general. It was never my intention actually. I just fell in love with it, became obsessed with it because of how it helped me heal my own self from spinal disorders and different things, and then started doing it more. And then as I was working as a teacher and as I was practicing, I started to feel like why are all these amazing people single or having relationship issues, like they’re good people, they are working on themselves, they say that they have good morals and all of this. So I started to get really interested in in relationships and I’d always had a little bit of a interest in relationships and sexuality.
I remember as a child I used to study I mean not study but look up anatomy parts and I was fascinated by my parents relationship and their sex life, which seemed.
If I look back now I don’t know if my memory is totally accurate, but like they seem to have a good time.
And so I was just really intrigued by love and by relationships in general, and so I already had that passion there. And then I did some studies with Layla Martin, who has a certification in relationship, sexuality and Tantra coaching. I also studied with a mentor who’s based in Leila Martin’s based in the US, studied with a mentor in Portugal, peter Littlejohn Cook, and that was focused on Tantra, and then I did some workshops and trainings with Jason Gaddis, who is the founder of the Relationship School. I believe he is based out of Colorado, and that was really based on more relationship psychology and skills training, and so those are just to name a few. But it’s, I find, with relationships are definitely, it’s definitely an art and an ongoing study and I think, combined with my passion and these educational areas, that’s what gave me the foundation. I did also study psychology, not degree level, but a level we call it in the UK, so I had a bit of foundation there in terms of the way that my in general and in relationships.
0:09:03 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, how did you discover the RTT training? Because it’s a very specific certification method, something like within hypnosis. So how did you yeah?
0:09:18 – Dionne Eleanor
I think it was phones, listening and seeing an advertisement and then clicking through and I I mean, how would I describe myself as a purchaser? I think I’m one of the. I’m one of those people that I have great intuition. I do trust my intuition, but I still I’m very happy that I can speed read because I definitely still love to check terms and conditions, refund policy, ask all the difficult questions. So it wasn’t a quick decision.
But what I was really drawn to with RTT was I think I had a bias because Marissa Peer, who founded it, she’s from the UK, so there’s definitely there. But I was also drawn to the fact that of the results, it said that you know talking about rapid results because no matter how much you try and encourage people that you work with that, things take time. They always want things quicker. So I was very intrigued by being able to bring in a method that might help speed things up for people that just don’t have that time or don’t feel they have that time. Yes, I was also intrigued by the fact that there was cognitive behavioral therapy intertwined in the into the technique, which I feel is really important and gave a solid foundation, and then also the neuro-linguistic programming, changing the language, it felt quite comprehensive.
And then, looking at the way that the course was led at that time and not when I started my course, but after I had started and I was continuing learning and the CPD part after I got my certification it was pandemic time, and so I really appreciated how there was this up-to-date how would you call it up-to-date initiative from the team at Marissa Peer to say, okay, how can we bring this online in a safe way, in an effective way, in a way where we’re not making false promises, do they? Do people need more sessions? So it felt it felt really, really, um good, and it also felt really balanced that there wasn’t these false promises like, oh, you’re going to be a hypnotist and then you’re going to save people from this, and that it was very the way that it was. I was spoken to about and sold to. You could say about. It was in a very grounded way, so so that gave me trust in sort of taking it on board as another.
0:11:39 – Dr. Liz
I am part of a Facebook group like women in hypnosis. It’s only women in that group and she consistently gets rave reviews for programming, her training, yeah, and her techniques. Actually, like people will reference her techniques all the time because, yeah, well, we’ll post questions what I do in this case, or something like that.
0:12:01 – Dionne Eleanor
And yeah, consistently they were yeah yeah, she really I would say she really also embodies her work right like she’s so, she’s confident, but she admits when she’s not confident and she’s a realist about you know about things and really encouraging people to step into an edge but also do things safely and know when to safeguard, know when to signpost, making sure that you actually practice like live. You know live real sessions and then you know when I was studying it was working with people on real issues and then having those, you know it felt so laughing because I remember feeling like the fear at the time but having the videos analyzed and the script analyzed, and to every detail, you know, oh, your voice. I think one of the feedback I had was that my voice was a little too happy and I was like but I like my voice, you know. So you know and I you know just real, honest, grounded feedback. You know just real, honest, grounded feedback.
And I think actually when I was coming towards the end of my actual certification and the time there wasn’t this rush, because obviously they have a vested interest to certify people right in terms of incentives, but I remember being very close to that deadline and getting feedback that I still I had a little bit of work to do like a quite a bit of work to do, like I passed everything. I could tick all the boxes, but if I wanted to really get the deep transformation that I wanted to get for people, especially with complex issues like severe trauma and PTSD, I do need to make sure that I work on this. And there was this offering from one of the mentors within the team for me to even have even more practice experience, and I really like that because it would have been so easy for them to have said you’ve done your certification, keep practicing. There you go. I did get my certification, but it was, you know, there was also very you know, very clear and healthy responsibility there.
0:14:06 – Dr. Liz
Fantastic. It’s good to hear. Yeah, yeah, I imagine it. It was quite a nice integration with your yoga experience. I taught yoga for 20 years and hypnosis is far more about the body. I think that people realize like, yeah, think about hypnosis, they think about just the body. I think than people realize Like, yeah, think about hypnosis, they think about just the mind, like I’m going to use my mind to, you know, get very. Sometimes it’s not so quick, but that’s often the desire to get a quick response. It often is the result, but sometimes it’s a little bit, you know, slower than quick, let’s say, or it takes a little bit longer than that, but typically it’s like the transformation that occurs is not just the mind, it’s the body as well.
0:14:52 – Dionne Eleanor
Yeah, definitely, I’ve seen that the way people stand after a session even if you’ve not worked on something to do with their posture like they stand differently, their eyes are different. One of my coolest memories with hypnosis very, very early once had qualified in it and started working I had a client that wanted me to help him to stop smoking, and so, part of the visualization when I was doing the rewire of the belief, I had him walk through a town that was full of smoke and everything like that, things burning down, and when he woke up, he had not cognitively remembered. You know. You know, some people remember, some people don’t. Yeah, it’s like I just feel like I don’t know where I went.
I feel really good, though, but I said I just feel like my eyes are burning and like I’ve been walking through the fire and I was like, well, you kind of have you know, um, and his eyes were a little bit red and so, and actually at this point I think it’s important maybe for the listeners is maybe something that you’ve mentioned already, because one of the things I have come up with with hypnosis with new clients is fear about forgetting or not knowing what’s going on. And yeah, um, I was always trained to make sure that there was a prompt in there for people to keep themselves safe, that like if they hear anything that they can, they’re in control, that they can come out at any time and things like that. And it really is, you know, repeated so that people know that I’m not adding one come out of hypnosis, but I have, you know, I’ve had someone say I don’t want to answer that Right, and so there is. You know, people do have control in that space, yeah absolutely yes, and it depends what type we’re doing.
0:16:31 – Dr. Liz
But often when we’re doing some habit, change things, it’s recorded. And so I say you can always go back and listen to the recording. Sometimes, when we’re doing, let’s say, deeper work, or we’re changing beliefs or going back in time, which we call regression, that’s not recorded. But if someone wants me to, I absolutely will like if they, so that they can listen. It’s an absolute yes, like absolutely yeah, so that you can be safe, so that, yeah, I’m doing my job here totally, totally fine. And you know, it’s not something that I take personally. That’s, people have a different levels of trust, that based on their own history in life. So, yeah, it’s a good point to bring up, yeah, so the body sage method. Can you tell us more about your actual method?
0:17:24 – Dionne Eleanor
I typically work with people for a minimum of three months, sometimes six. When somebody is very new, let’s say new. When I say very new, like I’ve never had any contact with them before, I usually do suggest three months for the purity of safety. Sometimes I’ll suggest six months if I see it’s a very big issue, multiple issues, yeah, but I usually ask for a three-month window just so there’s space for the sessions, space for integration and questions in between and to fit the partner in there as well, because it’s really not a lot of time, um, even three months, you know when you’re working with someone by bi-weekly, I either work bi-weekly or, if somebody’s got a little bit more um challenges and I’ll do a session every 10 days. So they’ll have three sessions in the month. Um, the first week actually, I say bi-weekly, but the first week we have two sessions. So we’re really like hitting the ground, running um and doing. I tie in ritual work as well. So we’re open with a ceremonial way where I have a script that I design that’s personalized for the person that was stepping into a new area of their life, of transformation, that they commit to it fully, and so on. I put them in a meditative, but not hypnotic state for that, and the work that I’m doing with the method is predominantly online, but sometimes people do come in person for some intensive three days or or mini retreats as well. Following that, then we’ll rotate between sessions that are based on the I call body weeks, somatic weeks, and then brain weeks, which they get the chance to. With the brain weeks we’ll get in the chance to actually talk and do the relationship skills training and and mentoring. I said mentoring rather than coaching because my method is really focused on after the period of time that we’ve worked together, you’ve got your own tools and system in place that you’re not needing to constantly have um therapy or with me or any sessions with me, that you can sort of go and live your life um, whereas coaching is a little bit more motivational and focused on keeping us going. So I’m really like trying to teach those skills, give them those resources, those recordings if they want. So in the brain weeks where we are, we’ve got relationship skills training, anything that they come up with.
But I do have a focal point, usually, so, going back a step, when I have a consultation with somebody, a woman that I’m working with, I will listen deeply and see what is it that she actually feels that she wants to resolve in her life. So maybe usually there’s multiple things. I’m feeling disconnected from my body. I want to lose a certain amount of weight. These are the common areas. I’m feeling disconnected in my sexuality and from my partner. We’re okay, but there’s friction and I’m scared about the relationship future. Maybe they’ve got something that they’re feeling a bit disconnected from their own sense of purpose and legacy and what they’re here to do. They don’t just want to be defined as a mother or somebody who’s gone through the trauma that they’ve gone through. And so then I’ll bullet, point out and say that these are the areas that we’re going to focus on and and I’ll reverse them into a positive statement. So let’s say, if the lady says she wants to lose 20 pounds, so we we might say OK, by X time we are going to commit to losing this amount of weight. This is the goal in our time working together. And the other goal is to have relationship safety again, feel good in your body, have good boundaries with your partner. So I’ll reverse them and then I’m fast forwarding now, but at the end of the period we will review those and see what actually has been achieved. So it keeps me accountable as well as the client and I do.
I, behind the scenes, I’m reviewing mid as well, and periodic to make sure that I’m actually getting the results. Of course In the body weeks we have somatics. Of course In the body weeks we have somatics. Again, it’s personalized. Now that I’m serving more people it’s still personalized, but I would definitely say that I’m seeing patterns so I’m able then to give myself some grace and reuse certain things that I can see working. But the somatics can be somatic therapy, sort of shaking the body, the trauma release exercise where you’re shaking. It can also be mindful movement. Some people know that I’m qualified in yoga, so they really request yoga and then it’s a mindful yoga movement. And then we’re also doing breath work and vocal work as well. Doing breath work and vocal work as well vocal empowerment exercises A lot of the women that I am working with.
They have challenges with speaking up with confidence and maybe they feel that they’ve gained a certain level of empowerment, but then it’s now moving it out into the world and that’s all part of the relationship as well. Going back to the brain, the only other thing that I do also include is ancestral intergenerational trauma work and it’s case by case. I do offer some people if I see there’s a lot of complexity in family dynamics bonus sessions where the mother can have a session with let’s say, it’s me, the daughter and the mother, so we can really do some healing on that relationship. Or maybe it’s a specific child that they’re having challenges with, so call them family sos sessions. Um, love it. Yeah. So it’s really an integrative approach where we’re involving all the key people, but definitely the, the partner and then any key people that there’s challenges for that are really affecting that woman.
Moving forward, one of my favorite moments was working with a lady and she booked with me for six months during that time. She said it was, it was four and a half months and she said I’m starting to feel like I don’t need you and I don’t know if I’m going to renew. And I said well, don’t worry, I was, you know, because she had coached him before and so she knows that typically I’ve also received coaching and there’s nothing wrong with it. But typically before when you come into the end of your container, you do get reminders that you can renew. It’s normal and I think it’s very healthy. Yeah that coach is and or mentor is proactive, because sometimes we will just slip off and back into our own habits, right? So, yeah, yeah, so, um, and I was like that’s great, and she was like, really, I was like, exactly, that is, that is what I want to happen. If you’re genuinely feeling that way and let’s keep making sure you’re getting the results, um, that you want.
Hypnosis fits into the brain weeks, but I sort of do them separately, because the rapid transformation hypnosis is a three-hour session and it tends to come later in the package. If it’s six months, they get two, if it’s three months they get one, and then we’ll either work on it’s case by case it might be the same issue if they get into hypnosis sessions, it depends on how deeply rooted it is or if something comes up after the first or it might be two separate things and we decide that, um, a little bit. We have an idea at the beginning of the relationship, working relationship, but we might also tweak it, um throughout, um, and then the couples integration. That also comes in the final month of the three month container or the final two months, and then they’ll get one session a month, typically with their partner, unless there’s some deep issues, and then we just do an add-on. It works really well that way, because I find that again we’re looking at the.
I’ve built the trust with them so they can go into that deep space.
They can also commit that time and carve it out, because that’s getting someone up front three hours and then listen to something each day, and then it also gives them a continuum as well, um, and so the noses will usually come in the three-month container three weeks before they finished working with me so they’ll listen to the recording for definitely, whilst I’m still with them, and then they’ll still be listening to it hopefully after, and then I usually check in with people after they’ve finished the container work with me just to see how they are, see if there’s anything that I can offer them in terms of resources that they’ve lost, that I’ve sent them, just that little bit of aftercare that I think sometimes is missing, not intentionally.
Again, I really believe there’s a lot of us are out there doing, you know, the best that we can and we’re just trying to develop like systems of. Sometimes for some people they do need that little bit of checking in. A lot of women I don’t know about you, but they common feelings are feeling invisible, feeling unseen, alone, and so them knowing that I do, because I do I generally care, um, what’s going on after they’ve finished working with me, and they don’t need to sign up to anything, you know, they don’t need to spend another dollar for me to like really know they’re okay, is, um, it’s really important yeah, absolutely.
0:26:24 – Dr. Liz
In my own practice, since I hold a license, we actually have some um, let’s say, guidelines around, like we’re not allowed to check on people after we finish working with them unless we have their permission to do that. And so sometimes that’s how I put it like would you like for me to check on you? And in a month or so? Because I can’t do that unless we make the agreement for that. But it’s often very, very helpful, helpful, I would say. The majority of the time people say yes, sometimes there’s a no because they feel like nope, I’m done, I’ll call you when I need you.
0:26:58 – Dionne Eleanor
You know exactly yeah, I’m the same, I do, I do, I do definitely ask because, like you said, people are they’re different they’re different and they have needs, or maybe they’re just going on vacation and
0:27:10 – Dr. Liz
yeah, I love the term aftercare, though, as you put it for some reason, like when you’re drawing and I do a lot of watercolors and it’s like the they call it tending. Tending is those little details you go back to afterwards, that you’re adding, that really take that to another level and and that’s what you know visually popped up for me in terms of aftercare, like you know, do you need a little tending, are you okay? How are you doing, like, how is it going for you once you’ve completed this transformation?
0:27:43 – Dionne Eleanor
Yeah, definitely. And a question for you on that with clients and sort of outside of sessions, it’s probably something that you experience. So I’m on social media. I’m not using it too heavily. It’s a nice tool but it can be very distracting, you know personally. But I have found in my experience that people like to follow, or sometimes people have you know, let’s say, on Instagram, followed me, me, and then I’ve had a client ask me. You know why I didn’t follow them back and I personally developed a policy where I don’t follow clients right on their social media, unless the only case I would say, is if we’ve totally finished working with each other and there’s a clear purpose and consent um but, um, you know, a purpose might be.
I’m following a new business and they’ve asked if I can give them a like, and you know there’s no there’s no conflict there and if there’s enough time passed.
0:28:37 – Dr. Liz
But yeah, I’m curious about your experiences with that as well with with that type of side of things yeah, in the us, licensed psychologists are licensed mental health counselors, um, lcsws, we’re actually not allowed to. I mean mean, it’s not a law, but it’s an ethical guideline that our profession, and so I will say that in the first meeting with someone, like it doesn’t mean I don’t like you or think about you. I think about you all the time actually, but I am actually not allowed to follow you on social media. Know, this is why is to protect my experience of you as objective, and you know there’s ethical guidelines, all that stuff. So I say it up front.
Um, I say you’re allowed to follow my professional accounts. I’m not allowed to let you follow any personal accounts. So that’s how I put it. I am almost completely off of social media in terms of my professional accounts. Several of them got hacked and it is quite a business task actually to keep up a social media account in terms of professionally. So finally, I was like I’m just calling it it and my business increased. After that. You know everybody says, oh my god, you gotta have social media to have a business. Even that was not my experience at all.
0:29:59 – Dionne Eleanor
So, which is very, very interesting to me, that’s so healing to hear right, because obviously we’re both humans and that’s one of my um standing in authenticity. I think, like if I think of my one of my younger brothers about three and at this point in his life he is a social media superstar and it gives him energy and it works with his life and everything. And for me, I’m not afraid of social media, I’m not afraid of being on video, but I being curious about how it’s sustainable and how authentic it is. Like I’m okay to be on there when it’s authentic. But, like you said, it is quite a task to to do the frequency that they say is required. And you know, one of the things I was speaking to one of my assistants about was that okay middle ground, putting content out there on my page that is supportive to people, especially if I’m I work globally and in different places. Can we develop a faceless um strategy from right now? Um, yeah, I’m super excited about that because, um, you know, I’ll see how that goes.
Um but, yeah, I’ve, I’ve moved away, I’ve I’ve definitely gravitated away from personal shares, um, that you know there’s some, but not less so sort of purposeful and sharing something of inspiration, and I agree with you, um, and I agree with the ethical guidelines that it just I think one of the things I feel it can create is relational avoidance in the therapeutic connection and work, because in a personal relationship, right, I, for example, updated someone that said oh, I saw that on your status, and then they’ve made an assumption of what’s going on in my brain because of something they’ve seen on my social media, which actually was was dated one year ago, but I’m just posting it because it made me smile today, and so it’s so easy to not be objective when there’s oversharing and or inappropriate sharing online, and so I think and I love that you’re that that’s a huge I can’t think of the word in English but that’s a huge like woo for me.
0:32:18 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, yeah, mentor. She sort of explained it from an energy perspective. I mean, I do keep my podcasts, which is technically social media, which is technically social media, or my YouTube channel. But it was finally my Facebook was hacked and I I did not enjoy doing this Facebook account. I did it because I felt like I had to and whoever hacked it was getting, I mean, thousands of views on the videos they were posting. I’m like this is great, it’s just like publicity for me. But then, of course, they started posting videos I did not exactly approve of. So my mentor said well, if you don’t actually like doing that, just drop it. That’s it. It’s done energetically. That’s not good and for your business, I had to hire a hacker to hack my hacker. Okay, so an ethical hacker is what they call them. Yeah, to delete the account was very easy. To get my account back was expensive and difficult. So I said delete it and that was that and it was expensive.
0:33:28 – Dionne Eleanor
Freedom, actually, that came with it, you’re also putting that energy into your clients oh, yes, yeah, exactly.
0:33:36 – Dr. Liz
So the energy I think just gets shifted. So it’s like, instead of my energy going here to something I really don’t like or feel like is really even supportive of my business, then my energy is going over here. Like you know, my hand is going a different direction, because I know this is an audio, not a video podcast. Your energy just shifts into something that’s far more enjoyable around your business or even personally, like, oh, it frees up all kinds of personal time for me, that I don’t have to do this anymore. Or even if you hire somebody, depending on what level your business is, that you don’t have to supervise that person anymore. All of that. So it was very, very interesting to me know, or all of that. So it was very, very interesting to me, very interesting that my business actually increased after that. Instead of you know the whatever, everybody tells you that exactly for you.
0:34:32 – Dionne Eleanor
Thank you, um, I do have another question. I know that you’ve got questions as well, but I think also I don’t know if you’ve been asked this before but I feel it’s an important question and it is something that I’ve experienced with my method and actually, you know, right now I’m changing things in my business to my, for example, my domain will go to the body stage and the method will still be considered a method, but within my business really understand, because one of the things I have a huge respect for is the intersection of science with modern holistic techniques. I think there is a huge importance in what we do in the clinical way and in the licensed way, and I remember being very early into my career, even before I was doing hypnosis as.
I could technically call myself, you know, a therapist, because it’s rapid. I’m a rapid transformational therapist and then I also had qualified years back in massage therapy. So I could technically, you know and we see this all the time right that especially on. We were just talking about social media.
People are have these titles and they aren’t lying, but they are unintentionally sometimes misinforming people because I think it’s just psychology. Somebody might look at me and say she looks trustworthy, she looks like she is this type of therapist, so she’s got therapy in the therapist in the title. So I’m gonna make this assumption. Something that I always make sure that I tell people up front is that I am a therapist, like you know, like in in that way, in this specific way, but I’m not a licensed psychotherapist.
I have got ex experience. I haven’t got this experience and I go through all of the safeguarding if I’m concerned, and permission for me to share data and all of that with certain authorities and people. Um, but I’m I’m really interested in your perspective as well, like in terms of the world that we’re living in now, the, the pros and the and even the areas to be mindful of, of people that are licensed versus non-licensed, right in the common and common things. I I know I’m biased to say this, but I feel like I’m okay because I’m I’m really cautious, right, I was cautious as I can, so it’s in my my brain to make sure that I don’t overstep um, whereas, what do you see that is positive about my method and where they could also benefit from seeing somebody that’s maybe licensed or a bit more clinical like who might be Okay, got it.
0:37:12 – Dr. Liz
So let’s start with. I think often people find the practitioner that they need at the time and so they do that various ways and it is a caution to make sure that okay, is this person trained in what I’m seeking and are they upfront about their credentials? Like if you sense any shadiness, you got to say okay, no, right. Like if there’s any shadiness here, it varies worldwide. So in the US there’s certain guidelines of things you can actually say that you do with certain certifications call yourself certain things and others but there’s incredible practitioners who are not psychologists or licensed therapists or licensed psychotherapists. Psychologists or licensed therapists or licensed psychotherapists. That’s an extremely long path to take, education-wise, financially, and not everyone is led to take that path or wants to do that or sees like that’s their path to take. They get their other ways. Originally, I think, when coaching came on the scene, um, and therapists licensed therapists were sort of all up in arms like these people are charging three times as us, as they don’t have the education behind it, but yet they’re doing things that therapists do. And then there became a little more guidelines around coaching, around okay, what is appropriate and and what do you need to refer to. As you know, training programs begin to pop up and all that stuff. When someone is dealing, I think, with trauma, then you do want to know does this person have some background in this and not just personal? Because often what I’ll see for practitioners is oh, personally, this, this, this didn’t happen. And so then I evolved and it’s like, okay, I understand that and then did you seek some training around that so that you can help people? And I think an important point that you’ve talked about actually throughout the interview is safety. Are they setting up safety? Do they talk about how to keep you safe? Because that’s a really important is a safety factor when you’re dealing with trauma. So you want to get a good sense of and I was really drawn to the woman who was leading it, who was trained in the Terry Real system. Terry Real is BFFs with Esther Perel, who’s much more popular, you know, but he has his whole own system of couples and you know how they operate and how they heal and how they stay in relationship with each other in a healthier way. And she was trained in that system. She’s not a licensed therapist, but she was fantastic, fantastic, far better than her co-leader, who was a therapist because that’s who she is, and but also she had all kinds of training in leadership and presentation and this type of thing. But the way that she created safety, which was really important, and so that came through in her, how she led the workshop on her website, that type of thing. So I think you’ve got to evaluate it that way, like I’m led to this person.
Let me look at them a little bit more. Some people are more analytical than others as well, right, so some of us want to like dig in a little bit and see, and other people are just straight intuition. Even if you’re straight intuition, you still need to think about can this person keep me safe and what are they doing to help keep me safe? And so sometimes that may be their policies, them between contact, aftercare, like you say, that type of thing and also the feeling you get from them. I think that’s really important and often, as women, I think this is drastically changing. But traditionally we were taught to ignore those feelings and now we’re absolutely raising generations of women who are taught to ignore those feelings and now we’re absolutely raising generations of women who are taught to absolutely you listen to those feelings, you listen to your intuition. Your intuition is your best friend, so you really want to tune into. That is how I say someone doesn’t necessarily need to be licensed, but I think they do need the training behind it. Does that answer? Yeah?
0:41:41 – Dionne Eleanor
yeah, definitely, and I love how you yeah, yeah, I’m hearing like not necessarily licensed, but the training and the practices in place to keep somebody safe and like that, not only the practices, but that energetic value in themselves, like they’re admitting that, like that they care. And, yeah, you know, for me that is, I think it’s come through, because safety is hugely important to me. It was a male friend that asked me and I’ll never forget it, it was after we had spent 10 days in. Have you heard of the Vipassana meditation? Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, so we’d spent 10 days not talking to each other. Yeah, yeah, but um, huge crush, right, so, telepathically, like crushing on each other Now, now, like I think it was the meditation energy. Yeah, definitely not compatible for anything more than a friendship, but I’ll never forget. After that, he said I had so many questions in my mind and he said, and one of them was how does it feel to be a woman? And I was like well, what do you mean?
0:42:58 – Dr. Liz
He was like well, I don’t want to be a woman. I was like, okay, and I was like well, what do you mean?
0:43:01 – Dionne Eleanor
He was like well, I don’t want to be a woman. I was like okay, he was like, but he’s like. I feel like women are always specifically women, almost every woman that I know. Not a day goes by where she’s not having to think about her safety.
0:43:12 – Dr. Liz
Absolutely.
0:43:13 – Dionne Eleanor
Yeah, yeah. And so you know that that really stuck with me, that if I can create a container where, at least for the most part, who I’m working with does not have to think about that for a period of time, that in itself is a little bit healing.
0:43:31 – Dr. Liz
Yes, I love that turnaround. Yes, like this is a safe environment and you don’t have to think about it for the hour or two or three sometimes that you’re with me.
0:43:44 – Dionne Eleanor
Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly.
0:43:46 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, I mean it’s. There’s a young man who came to my door the other day and I’m probably 20s and 20s and he was asking for like food and water. And I felt so bad. I said Do you have a phone? He offered work, like I’ll do anything, I’ll do some work for you or whatever.
And it wasn’t a time that I could do that and my husband wasn’t home and I felt so bad. I said Do you have a phone? Can I call you later and arrange the work? And he said no, I don’t have a phone. I said I’m sorry, I you know I can’t open the door, but my daughter and her boyfriend were here and so they went out and gave him some food and water. Okay, so that would not have happened if the boyfriend wasn’t here. Yeah, I can tell you straight up. And so I heard the door click and I was like in my office I wasn’t on with a client, but I I sort of called out, I says the door locked to my daughter and she said, yeah, it’s locked. We gave him some food and water. I said okay, and I said bear versus man, eva, like I mean it’s a, it’s a reality and it doesn’t. It doesn’t feel good to have to say no to some food and water to a young man in need, sometimes because you’re worried about your own safety or your daughter’s safety.
You know, he could have easily overpowered us or what I don’t know. Once you open the door, you know, I don’t know. Once you open the door, you know, I don’t know, and yeah exactly.
0:45:20 – Dionne Eleanor
There is a biological you know, talking about the body, there is a biological difference in the, in the, you know, in terms of sex, the way that the body is built and dominant areas of strength that we, we cannot deny, and something that you know. When I’m working with women women especially it’s encouraging them that they can, they can be empowered and they can do things that they want to do. And I kind of say tongue in cheeks, and you can and cannot have it all right. You don’t need to have it all.
You don’t need to have every single thing that, or do every single thing that a man does to be worthy and to be enough, as it’s a woman that you are. There are some things that it’s just like out in nature, right, the, the piece of concrete, is not saying, oh, I want to desperately be a flower petal, like after a certain point, it just I’m concrete, right, and so this is how it is. Um, and so we see this uh lesson about you know the. You could say I guess I don’t know how I would it or the laws of the universe, right, that it’s okay and we’re not um, you know um in, in theory. In that way, I think that we are.
You know, one of the best things you know, going back to social media, for, uh, for just a second that’s come out of that is the vocalization, like there’s more voices and with that there’s more opportunities and there is a sense of empowerment that we are starting to slowly unravel things and people are at least being heard, and being heard is the first step to changing things and systems that aren’t working. And it’s a practice like we are practicing in relationship with ourself, we’re practicing relationship with our partners, with our children, with our friends, and then we’re practicing systemically as a community and we’re not going to get it right like the first time. Oh yeah, it’s so true.
0:47:16 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, right, it is, but it is um, it’s a a wonderful question and a wonderful way to think of things and, um, a way to say, okay, yeah, how do I heal in a safe way is how I hear that right, and sometimes that is through community in other ways.
You know, even this young man that was on my doorstep, it’s like I, I donate monthly to feeding, feeding south florida, because that’s where I was for a long time like food and hunger. And then, you know, he shows up at my doorstep and I’m not religious, but it was around Easter, and so this religious imagery is going like how, how, all of this stuff that’s part of community, but ultimately we have to keep ourselves safe. That’s it Exactly, yeah.
And probably that man and you know he would have had a little bit of awareness sometimes not right, but a little bit of awareness of, and with that, like he’s stepping into courage through it, but like awareness that like people will be, you know, preoccupied a little bit with their safety and that’s part of the risk he’s taking with asking um, and so it’s like that dance, you know, and and yes, and I think his safety too, like I nearly thought of where’s, where’s his mother or his father, and it’s like you know he’s taking a risk with his own safety knocking on doors, and so I know there’s different parts of the world where it’s a little bit different, but it’s just not that way here, where I am in North Florida, and it’s there’s a sadness with it and at the same time, you have to acknowledge just our basic needs of safety period. But back to our body sage method, okay, to the point where I interview. I can be straight off here. So I really um think that when you’re wanting to heal on a deep level, when you’re wanting to heal trauma in particular, that safety is really important. And so that is a physical safety and does a person create a sense with their policies and with their spirit, like who they are with you, like how they’re communicating with you.
And we’re not all perfect all the time that, like you said, we do get distracted sometimes. But, yeah, general, is that coming across? Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we have chatted. It’s been great. Now so we’re coming to the end here, unfortunately, because I think I could talk to you forever, but please tell people how to find you yes, definitely.
0:50:00 – Dionne Eleanor
Well, talking about social media, I’m still currently on there and it’s just my name on Instagram, which is Dionne D-I-O-N-N-E, and then my second name, e-l-e-a-n-o-r, underscore Dionne Eleanor. That’s my Instagram and it’s also the same on LinkedIn, so you can find me on both of those platforms. I’m on Facebook as well, but I’m hardly using it. And then otherwise, if you go to my website, which is wwwbodysagecocom, and you can find me there, and you can find me there.
0:50:39 – Dr. Liz
Wonderful, and that will be in the show notes as well as the website for everyone. Yes, thank you so much for being on the podcast. I am so glad it all worked out after many reschedules. Yes, me too.
0:50:54 – Dionne Eleanor
It’s been great, very happy to be here, really wonderful talking to someone that is kind of in in a similar, you know, a side, side by side um ally, ally in this wellness industry of you know, supporting and people around the world. And yeah, it’s been really great speaking to you. Thank you so much.
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