HM287 How to Breakthrough to Change with Gina Mollicone

If someone doesn’t want to change, there’s nothing you can do to make them. But if someone wants to change, there’s little you can do to stop them.

Gina Mollicone is a change expert, the coach of the coaches, and walks us through important factors for change.

About Gina Mollicone

Academically trained in engineering, philosophy and the intersection of science and spirit, Gina brings a wealth of knowledge and information to her process. Extensively trained in modern and ancient performance techniques, Gina aggregates their teachings and shows people how to make powerful transformations. Gifted in rapport, connection and language, Gina cuts to the core of your reality and empowers you to engineer a new one. See Gina’s linktree at linktr.ee/ginamollicone or take a look at https://greatnessu.com

About Dr. Liz

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Winner of numerous awards including Top 100 Moms in Business, Dr. Liz provides psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, and hypnosis to people wanting a fast, easy way to transform all around the world. She has a PhD in Clinical Psychology, is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and has special certification in Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy. Specialty areas include Anxiety, Insomnia, and Deeper Emotional Healing.

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Transcript

0:00:00 – Dr. Liz / Host

Hi everyone. Dr Liz here, Welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast. I’m glad you’re here, glad you’re listening and learning, and hopefully it will help you with your journey along the way. I am a psychotherapist with a specialty in anxiety, insomnia and deeper emotional healing. Hypnosis is one of the tools in my toolbox that I use to help people feel better and help people be better. I do work all over the world. Please feel free to reach out and contact me if you would like some help.

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Hey everyone, Dr Liz here. I think you’re going to love this interview. Gina really is a change expert and we end up talking about all kinds of change in this interview personal, financial, work-related. She’s a great storyteller, but also explains exactly how she works with someone to create change or to train them to create change in their clients, and how you can work with yourself to do that too. So she is really like the coach of the coaches, and in speaking with her I could immediately see how she’s so successful. So let’s jump in Geese. Hi Gina, Welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast. Thanks for having me. Yes, yes, I was excited when your information came across my inbox because I always like interviewing people that are directly working as a change agent hypnotherapist. I know you have NLP. You’re an NLP master and NLP for the audience who have never heard that is Neurolinguistic Programming and is how do you explain it to people in the simplest way?

0:03:08 – Gina  / Guest

The simplest way is NLP is a mechanistic model, that is, the study of success and how to replicate it. So I know that seems very vague, totally vague, yes, but it’s not. The thing is, is people have it of all these things? That it’s not. It’s really just a series of models, or processes, if you will, or step-by-step instructions on how to achieve the same results others have achieved, but faster and with less effort, because it’s been recorded and put in sequence for you Step one, this, step two, that, step three, this. But NLP is really the collection of that, because when Bandler and Grinder created the field, if you will, in the 70s, all they did was take you know what people have been doing for hundreds or thousands of years, which is trying to replicate other people’s success, and then they turned it into a series of patterns, programs, things you could execute. So do this if you wanted to be in a positive state.

It was just a way of turning it into a guidebook, and so I don’t know what I mean. Obviously, I’ve heard some of the things that people think it is, but it’s not that it’s really of all the things I know, and I know a lot of things.

It’s probably one of the most linear things that I know. So when I say study of success and how to replicate it, because it’s more of a practice than a thing, if you use the principles of NLP, you should be able to replicate any success by knowing how to model someone, knowing how to break it down into steps, knowing how to install it in yourself and all of NLP techniques do this. But it’s also an approach to success versus a thing. It’s not a like NLP, like people will say well, do NLP.

0:05:07 – Dr. Liz / Host

It’s like well which part, or what? Like, yeah, like, what do you want to do? Well, what is your most common request in terms of someone wanting to use that process for Well?

0:05:19 – Gina  / Guest

so I do things a little bit differently, I suppose, than other people, because we center everything around breaking through right. So we, you know there you are in your life and there’s this next level on the horizon, and who we serve are people who are trying to break through that barrier faster and with less effort than the natural course of events would occur, right. So I always tell prospective clients or students you don’t need me, you don’t need us, you’re going to get there. It’s a natural evolution, you’re going to. Humans are constantly striving for more and more, but what we do at Greatness U, or the work that I do with my you know very few select private clients, is we accelerate that process. We use NLP, we use hypnosis, we use timeline therapy, we use Huna, we use all kinds of things, and the goal is, you know, generally speaking, remove what prevents you and install what’s missing.

0:06:21 – Dr. Liz / Host

Okay, so I know your company does training and team building, so you’re working with other companies as well to do this. You’re working with individuals wanting to be trainers or coaches. Tell me a little bit more about that and then.

0:06:35 – Gina  / Guest

I’m like, yeah, I mean, if you think about the general, the generalized world of people, our most saturated market is in business, because they’re rewarded based on performance. So corporate team building and training is a natural place to work because it’s, you know, where people are trying to achieve goals and make more money and do all these kinds of things. And then our sort of you know, if I was to take that and hone it in, I would say it’s the leaders of leaders that we really work with, because they have to, you know. First of all, they’re interested in their own peak performance and they have to know how to elicit it in others. And, specifically, like we do, work with coaches, and coaches have a unique relationship with people in that they have permission to change someone Right. So when you work with a coach, you sort of give them permission to help you change. Exactly. You know what you’re doing or how you’re doing it.

0:07:36 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, when you’re a leader of people, well, supposedly well, yeah, I was good, so I’m assuming some of your training is about like, okay, people sign up for coaching, the same thing, but therapy right. And then right like jacked everything.

0:07:51 – Gina  / Guest

Yes, and so you heard me hesitate because because that is a case, right, but theoretically. That’s why I use the word theoretically. When you hire a coach, there’s permission to change, and so let’s come back to that, because it’s actually very important. But in a company and this is unique is if you’re a manager or leader of leader or whatever you call yourself you don’t have permission to change the people who work for you. So, while your role is coaching, ask it’s like a coach, right, you don’t even have permission to change.

So what we teach people how to do is what is peak performance?

How do you elicit in yourself?

And then what are the components? And how can you arrange everything except the person to make it conducive to performance? And how can you adjust or adapt the environment to make the person want to change? So you can’t make the person change. That’s and that’s the most important thing in coaching, obviously. And but you can if you’re a leader in business, if you understand change, and that’s literally that’s probably my specialty. If I had to, like you know, take everything I do and put it into one bucket, it would be a bucket called change. So my specialty is change, and I know this is an audio interview, but on the board behind me you can see a diagram and there’s an inflection point and that we call that point C, and that’s my specialty is that is change.

Change actually doesn’t take very long, but the preconditions have to be met, and so if you don’t have permission to change someone, then the only thing you can do is up their motivation. So, as a manager, there are things that are within your control to you know, alter. So we teach that. We teach the theoretical side more for people who are kind of constrained by this coaching, not coaching relationship. But we also train coaches, and we train straight up coaches, and we are very clear with coaches straight out of the gate that what we teach is not another coaching program. It’s not meant to replace their coaching tools, it’s not meant to usurp their genre. We’re more like a spice, you know, like a salt and pepper to a steak or something like that, where we, what we teach makes all forms of coaching work better, because we teach the mechanics, we teach the mechanisms of change, and all coaches work in their arena of change. So we teach how to make it less effort, how to, you know.

0:10:28 – Dr. Liz / Host

So tell me, what are the factors? I mean, I’m sure there’s many.

0:10:31 – Gina  / Guest

No, there’s only two. 

0:10:33 – Dr. Liz / Host

Oh, there’s only two. I was going to say, tell me the top five factors. There’s only two.

0:10:37 – Gina  / Guest

You need two conditions and you can change anything, right? So and I want to be clear about something here If someone doesn’t want to change, there’s nothing zero that you can do to change them.

0:10:51 – Dr. Liz / Host

Said, every person who has a partner right.

0:10:54 – Gina  / Guest

However, the flip side of that is that if someone wants to change, there’s nothing you can do to stop them.

So you can delay them, you could distract them, but they’re going to change and this is this is the dynamic of you know, this is just the way it is, so now. So therefore, there are only two conditions required to change anything, obviously, the first one is desire. You have to want it for yourself. So it can’t be something you come to you know and say, oh, my wife wants this, or my husband wants this, or my partner wants this, or my boss wants this, or my mom wants this, or my friend wants this. It has to be something you want. Okay, and then it had that. So once the desire is required, without it, like, we’re not even having this conversation. But when desires there and you alluded to this earlier so somebody comes, they hire a coach, clearly, they want it, they’re going to pay this money, they signed this agreement. The other thing that’s required is 100% coach ability or willingness to follow the instructions given by the coach. Okay. So whatever the coach uses as their tools, the client must submit 100%, without reservation, to the process and to the extent that they don’t submit, it doesn’t work and it has nothing to do with the tool and has nothing to do whether it’s been proven by any fricking science or anything like that. It has everything, because everything will work.

And hypnosis just because that’s what we share in common is a very good example of people can be made to do ridiculous things. Just go to a stage show, right, you’ll see people clucking like chickens. That doesn’t mean that’s what hypnosis is, by the way, but that’s what people think it is because that’s what they’re exposed to. But hypnosis is just a mechanism. Hypnosis is a mind mechanism that says when you get the mind in a specific state and all even be more specific there and say, let’s put it in a specific brain wave frequency or slower, yes, and you introduce selective thinking and it’s accepted. That’s the state of hypnosis. Well, I just described for you advertising and people always react like that. But I was an advertising executive years ago and TVs put people in trances because of the technology, the way, a screen is built.

Yeah, and phones, I’ll say Right, it flickers. And that flickering, that high rate of flickering, actually causes the brain to slow down. It’s just a function of the screen. So now you’re in a trance and nobody said anything. And now I’m introducing by my washing powder, my toothpaste or whatever. And if you don’t resist it, then if you don’t sit there and throw tomatoes at your screen and say I blocked this or whatever, you accept it and then you go out and you think it’s your decision, but really it was planted in your mind when you were in a trance. All advertising is hypnosis. Pick up any book on the advertising industry. It’s not even a secret. Yes, right, and if you know, the development of the critical faculty takes place around age seven, then the argument for advertising against children as being unethical is very sound, because children don’t have the ability. They don’t have the ability to block the suggestions till they’re about seven-ish.

0:14:20 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yeah.

0:14:21 – Gina  / Guest

So, but I mean, here’s the thing how much is a Super Bowl ad? A couple of million dollars. These days, millions. When I worked in advertising, 30 second spot was a million dollars. No, that was a long time ago. It’s in the millions now. Let’s call it somewhere between three and 10 million. Who knows who could? Probably. The point is it’s a lot of money for a 30 second spot, and if it’s based on hypnosis, then I would argue that hypnosis is one of the most valuable mechanisms on the planet. So maybe, maybe, what we say to leaders is maybe you should learn it, decide for yourself if you can use it and then use it or not. I’m not attached. I’m not the hypnosis police. Yeah, yeah, but it’s a mechanism and it’s a powerful one, and the way, the reason I can tell you it’s powerful is because we don’t spend three to 10 million dollars for 30 seconds on things that are not valuable.

0:15:13 – Dr. Liz / Host

So we don’t produce results that the company wants.

0:15:17 – Gina  / Guest

Exactly. Yeah, so the but the point is that in a hypnosis session or a coaching session or an NLP session, or or whatever you you as the listener to this show use as your tools. If the person follows your instructions, they’ll get the intended outcome, but if they don’t, they’ll get not the intended outcome. So then, what do you do? Well then you have to recognize what your job actually is. So your job is to first make sure they want it.

So right, I take about a dozen private clients in a year and I turn away more people than I take, and I only use these two criteria. The first I establish a burning desire like how bad do you want it? You know 10 out of 10, like, prove it to me, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then I establish their coachability and I do a series of mini, mini and macro tests to see how coachable they are. If they’ll, you know, if they, if I say, go to this website and read the whole page, do they do it? Because if they don’t do it in the first email, why are they going to do something that’s infinitely harder?

0:16:26 – Dr. Liz / Host

Right, it’s so interesting, like I followed the coaching world for quite a while and like over 10 years or so, and this is the first time I’ve heard of someone assessing coachability.

0:16:36 – Gina  / Guest

And if you don’t have coachability, I guarantee you 100% it will either be the worst experience of your coaching life or you will fail, and then you’ll gain the tools, or worse yourself, and then here’s the big problem you won’t be able to make the impact that you know you can make because of beliefs that are false. And so this is the real cause because people go into coaching, they genuinely want to make a difference. So when I’m coaching coaches and I did a webinar for coaches and it was like three tips and this was two of them, so desire burning got to be burning. And so if someone comes to me and they’re like Luke warm, I’m like yeah, I’m not for you, Trust me, Just go find somebody who wants to listen to you complain. And then the second thing is coachability, and there’s a famous hypnosis story actually so Milt Nairksen, as you know, probably one of the greatest ever.

0:17:29 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, he’s considered like the grandfather. I would say it’s a US of hypnosis just for the listeners.

0:17:34 – Gina  / Guest

Greatest ever Didn’t really start thriving until he was in his 60s, yeah, so he didn’t even hit the radar. He was just a doctor, right? I mean I’m like 50.

So I’m like that’s great, I have lots of time, tons of time, because he understood this and this I stole this from him. God bless the guy. So Erickson has this famous story where he would sort of ascertain a client pre-client meeting, you know, like they’d have their, their intro, whatever you know, your free 30 minutes or whatever you do, and they would, you know, sort of determine they had the desire and you know it seemed like a decent fit, and then he would give them a task and he would say, okay, before I can see you, I need you to go climb Squaw Peak, because he lived in Arizona.

So, this it’s got a new name now but a mountain near his home. I need you to go climb this mountain and then after that you climb the mountain, then we’ll book the appointment. And so one day I was giving a keynote speech in Phoenix or somewhere near there and I was like, oh, I’m going to go climb Erickson’s Magic Mountain, right, like because I want to see what the fuss is about. Maybe there’s all these you know energetic vortices or some whatever. So I climbed this mountain and and there were like hundreds of people also because it was like the outdoor stair master of the, you know, scottsdale area, it was just extra, it was winter, no, it was hilarious because I thought I was going to be all alone on this, you know, solo journey, and there were hundreds of people, you know, just working out.

So that was my first clue that there was something going on. So I did the hike and it’s kind of hard to go straight up and straight down and you know I’d stop and take pictures and try to be present, do all this shit you’re supposed to do, and I just couldn’t, like I just couldn’t and I’m not particularly kinesthetic sort of begin with, so I’m kind of disappointed in my spiritual experience. So I came all the way down, went to my gig and so I was sitting with. So I learned all of my hypnosis from Tad James and so I was sitting with Tad after that and Tad’s a master of hypnosis and it’s too bad like Tad.

Tad died last year but he really was one of the greats and Erickson was one of his idols and I was like so I did Erickson’s magic mountain and nothing happened. And he was like what are you talking about? I’m like I didn’t feel anything, like what the hell was supposed to happen. You know, one master trainer to another, I was like what was supposed to happen? He started laughing just like you did, and I was like what? And he’s like you’re a loser, like what he’s. Like. Nothing was supposed to happen. What the hell did you think was gonna happen? It was simply a test. It was a test of coachability. Yes, because Erickson knew if they would climb the mountain without question or resistance when he would do his hypnosis, they would just follow his instructions, which was all that was required for him to achieve success.

If and Erickson, as you know, permissive inductions are the most difficult because they require the practitioner to make sure the client achieves the phenomena, but in a way that appears to be permissive. Now, it appears to be permissive, but it’s and I use this because it’s actually not. You don’t proceed in Ericksonian hypnosis until you have compliance. But it’s harder to get compliance, like, obviously, if you’re doing a more Esther Brooks military style, when you’re like close your eyes and you’re like coming at them in a very authoritative way. It’s easier to get compliance because-.

0:21:10 – Dr. Liz / Host

I’m just right. Well, it’s funny that you say that, because that’s totally not my style and so it’s not easy. I would not anticipate that I would get compliance that way we teach it all. It has to match.

0:21:20 – Gina  / Guest

We teach it all right, so we do it, but we do it the opposite way in our school. So, at greatness U, obviously we have all these sort of corporate, very practical applications, but we also teach what I’ll call classical NLP hypnosis, timeline therapy, in a coaching sort of bundle. And in level one, you know, practitioner level, we actually teach Ericksonian hypnosis, and everybody thinks we’re crazy. But this was Tad’s genius way back when. Because, if you can, if the only hypnosis you’ve ever learned coming out of the gate is Ericksonian, and everything after that is peace cake.

And we require in our classroom the practitioner to succeed. So we do the hand touch to the face and we just keep like we are standing over them all the coaching assistants or whoever is in the training supporting the practical aspect of the training until we see the client comply in the classroom, the exercise keeps going, and so sometimes the exercise can take quite a long time, because you get this resistance that surfaces in clients for whatever reason, and I’m not interested in the reason, because human beings are constructed for adaptability and so, however they’re doing, it has worked for them in the past and you have to respect that, but you also have to respect is it’s no longer appropriate for the current conditions, and so I respect the fact that they are running an old program from a previously well adapted behavior, yes, but I also appreciate the fact that they’re trying to achieve something they’ve never achieved before, and the program is no longer appropriate.

So it needs to be dismantled and replaced, and so the only way you’re gonna do that is to hold space, if you will, where you are not accepting the new, the current program, and requiring the new one. Well, that’s not easy, and so that’s why desire is critical, because the desire is what propels them through the resistance, and then the coach’s job is to hold them accountable to the coaching tools or whatever tools you’re using. So it could be hypnosis, it could be NLP, it could be timeline therapy, it could be whatever you’re trained in, it doesn’t matter, it could be I’m just whatever, it’s not going to be there Whatever CB, whatever, it doesn’t matter, the tool is irrelevant. People, what are you saying? Every tool works? Yes, in theory, every tool would work.

0:24:03 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yeah, I had a mentor who actually trained me in regression type of hypnosis, where regression for people who are not so familiar with hypnosis where you’re going back in time and you are looking at old beliefs, you’re looking at old programming and then working to change them and instill better beliefs for the current present time. But she said to me at one point she’s like a really good cognitive behavioral therapist CBT therapist can get there, it just takes them longer, Like this is an easier way to do it for people. It’s shorter, it’s faster.

0:24:37 – Gina  / Guest

That’s the whole point. You don’t need like. Your listeners don’t need you or me, they don’t need us Believe it or not, the world was working without us and it’ll continue working without us. But what people like coaches, therapists, what they do is they speed up the process, they take out the trial and error right, it’s no different. You could go to Nepal and climb Mount Everest. Yes, you could figure it out.

0:25:04 – Dr. Liz / Host

Right before this interview I had someone coming to my house to do an estimate or something and I said, okay, I’m sort of a bottom line girl. Yeah, what’s the cost? Let’s skip all the sales pit and get to the bottom line. Because you were late and I had to prepare for a podcast interview. And he’s like, oh, what’s it on? I said him noses. He’s like, oh, I went to him noses to stop smoking. But it didn’t work. And I was like, well, too bad, you don’t trade. He works for a company Cause. I said, cause, I have like a 95% success rate with that, it should be a hundred.

0:25:36 – Gina  / Guest

Well, yeah, it should be a hundred. Oh no, I’ll tell you right now, when somebody comes to me and they do the smoking bullshit, cause smoking is one of those things where it’s the lack of desire and the willingness so they’ll come to me and I’ll go. How bad do you want to quit? They’re like seven cause they like it.

0:25:52 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes. Well, it’s interesting because I’ve gotten much better at assessing willingness, as someone says that I just came out of the hospital I get those calls and the doctor said I have to quit and I said we’ll call me back when you have 10 reasons of your own.

0:26:06 – Gina  / Guest

Right.

0:26:07 – Dr. Liz / Host

That’s it. But anyway the guy said to me he’s like, well, I don’t need to stop, I already stopped, I did it through ayahuasca and I was like that’s fantastic, I’m gonna get your scene, Whatever here it turns out the magic turtle, and if you get this turtle long enough, you’ll quit smoking.

0:26:25 – Gina  / Guest

That’ll work too Right.

0:26:27 – Dr. Liz / Host

So the thing is.

0:26:28 – Gina  / Guest

There’s a great story about willingness with smoking. So first they gotta have their own desire. So maybe they get. Usually it’s some sort of shocking event like somebody they know dies or whatever. But they’ve got to want to quit Like they’re, like I want us to live to see my grandchildren, or whatever. Fine, once desire is there. Desire is required before willingness, because without desire you can’t even start. But then willingness is interesting.

So there’s a famous task and all of you, if you’re listeners or hypnotherapists, take this task and run with it. So before you agree to see the client this is Erickson’s magic mountain type of a task Give them a journal and tell them to record before every cigarette, write down what they were thinking, what they were feeling and what triggered their smoking. They’re wanting to smoke. So the story goes. This task was given to a CEO and then the first session was gonna be two weeks later. So for two weeks we need a record, a journal record. By the way, this works for weight loss as well. So a journal record of everything you were, so, every cigarette, what you were thinking, what you were feeling and what triggered you. Okay, so it comes to the session two weeks later and he’s got like I don’t know, 10 entries in the journal. Coach is like well, what the hell.

0:27:44 – Dr. Liz / Host

Did you only?

0:27:45 – Gina  / Guest

have 10 cigarettes. I’m very important, I’m a CEO, I don’t have time for this nonsense. La la, la, excuse, excuse, excuse, coach goes, I can’t see you Now. Listen, you need to pay me for the time because you booked it. You didn’t cancel it 48 or whatever 24 hours in advance. We have to pay. And if you charge enough, like I charged $3,000 an hour, believe me, wow, they don’t fuck up. Oh, sorry. They don’t know show they don’t know show Many, many.

0:28:18 – Dr. Liz / Host

We’re already marking this session explicit.

0:28:26 – Gina  / Guest

So anyway, so he doesn’t do the thing. The coach says I can’t see you. Put the money on the table, whatever the coach was charging at the time. Yeah, he guys incensed. He’s like I can’t see you. He’s like come on, no, I want this, I really want this. He’s like well, you’re not really. Demonstrate the behavior of someone who really wants it. No, I do, I do. Okay, I’ll give you one more chance. Okay, so fine, I can remake an agreement once. Once you do it more than once. Now you’re part of the problem, but I can remake an agreement once. So you remake the agreement.

Here’s the journal. I’ll see you in two weeks. Every cigarette, what you were thinking, what you were feeling, what triggered you, goes away, comes back two weeks later. There’s like five entries in the journal. Coach is like you’ve got to be joking me. The guy goes whoa, whoa, whoa. Before you get all upset, I just quit smoking Because it was easier than filling out the journal. I love it and that’s why I say it’s not the tool that makes the change, it’s the person. The tool provides them the pivot point right. It provides them the opportunity to replace the programming and, for some people, that reframing of a past event the mule, adopting a new belief, learning a new strategy. For some people, that’s what they need in order to replace the old program. For other people, it’s just like for the CEO it was more work to fill out the journal than it was just to stop smoking.

Yeah, and that’s what you want in the end is what you want the result. So it doesn’t matter if it’s hypnosis or NLP. So when I so, I say to people I do breakthrough work because I’m not attached to the tool and I’m not constrained by the tool. So if I think that I need to use I don’t know an astrological reference in order to reframe a situation, and that’s what does the trick, then I do it. And so people can say, well, astrology is this or astrology is that, well, okay, but or my reframe solve the problem because the person was able to adopt the new paradigm. So coaching is about change. It’s not about tools.

0:30:30 – Dr. Liz / Host

Tools are part of coaching right, but well, I mean, we know from experience. It’s like when you have a practitioner who is more experienced, typically then they have more tools in that toolbox to pull from. So instead of just like one tool that they have well, this is what I trained and this is what I do then it’s like oh no, it’s a flexibility of mine.

0:30:53 – Gina  / Guest

It is flexibility and you could be trained in one tool and one tool only. But if you were like laser, focused on only taking clients with a burning desire and only taking clients who established full coachability however you do that in a pre task sort of way we call them more deals Then you would have success with that one tool and you would be the most successful of that tool kind of coach forever, because it’s the person who makes the change, the person who climbs Mount Everest. Sure, the Sherpa leads the lady at the back. No, I see what you mean.

0:31:34 – Dr. Liz / Host

I’m thinking of a very, very famous CBT therapist in his seventies, leader in the field. Always blah, blah, blah. That is what he uses. His own, that is his tool, although he’ll tell you I have like a hundred techniques within that tool, but like, even he is laser focused and he will get to it. He will get to it. Medicine, yeah.

0:31:53 – Gina  / Guest

Like people are like are you this pro Western manager? I’ll turn it into it all works. What doesn’t work is if the person and willingness includes belief. Just so we’re clear.

Yes, so if you go into a treatment and you hold doubt, depending on the strength of that doubt, it’s going to impact the treatment. So people will say this technique, medicine, works or it doesn’t work. Well, yes and no, because it depends on the person. But it’s not. It doesn’t have to be conscious, it could be unconscious. So they could go into a very traditional whatever chemotherapy or whatever, and the neighbor could get perfect results and the other person could fail. And the reason is not to do with the technique itself, but rather the belief. Likewise, one could go into I don’t know a natural medicine technique or ayahuasca or whatever, and it could work perfectly and the next person can go. And it doesn’t work because there’s an element of doubt. But how many doctors or naturopaths or chiropractors or whatever are trained in change? Yeah, you don’t understand change. And people will say, oh, they do this, they swipe their hand and they go. Oh, it’s just a placebo effect.

0:33:17 – Dr. Liz / Host

I’m like, just Just my kids and I talk about the placebo effect. Just Like, let’s hope for the placebo effect.

0:33:25 – Gina  / Guest

Give me a sugar pill every time. Right, yeah, just. There’s a book called Love, medicine and Miracles by Bernie Segal.

0:33:34 – Dr. Liz / Host

He’s an MD. Yeah, I read him when I was 18.

0:33:38 – Gina  / Guest

Amazing book.

0:33:39 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yeah.

0:33:41 – Gina  / Guest

I’m going to just make this up, but it’s somewhere in because I don’t have it. It’s downstairs, but there’s a story somewhere around chapter four or five ish.

The first story out of the gate in the chapter is about Mr Wright and his and his plight with his disease, and the story is a very, very illustrative metaphor about the power of belief and placebo, and the story is in there as a metaphor to just illustrate that it has more to do with like, so as the practitioner, like. One of the things we impress upon our practitioners is they must hold the belief that what they’re doing is possible.

0:34:21 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes.

0:34:22 – Gina  / Guest

So if they don’t like, I get 100% results. My results are guaranteed but, I, can promise you you will not walk through my door unless I have already seen you make the change Right, Like I’ve already seen the change made through desire and willingness. Then all I do is, you know, move my hands around and move my words around.

0:34:42 – Dr. Liz / Host

You come out. Yeah Well, I say it explicitly. Sometimes I say when it’s appropriate, of course, like I know, you don’t believe that for yourself right now, but I’m going to hold the possibility for you and what I tell my clients, and that’s part of becoming a coach.

0:34:58 – Gina  / Guest

You don’t believe it? Send it to me. I hold no prejudice. I believe literally anything is possible. People always say stupid things to me, like, oh, you think turtles can fly right or something stupid. But the thing is, they could, that doesn’t mean they can’t Right. So quantum physics all realities are possible. Yeah, not all realities are probable, correct?

0:35:23 – Dr. Liz / Host

That’s quantum physics.

0:35:25 – Gina  / Guest

And so you know, is it possible that we could figure out how to fly? Well, sure, it’s possible, but have we? Well, no, and just so we’re clear absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because we haven’t done it doesn’t mean we can’t, but it would require someone to want it bad enough and to be willing to.

You know to test out a few things, like the Wright brothers didn’t fly on day one and Roger Bannister didn’t break the four minute mile the first time he tried. So it is possible. But if you are the pioneer you have to develop the model. So you’ve got to want it pretty badly and you’ve got to be willing to fall down and you know for people to fly, you know falling down is a bit costly.

0:36:13 – Dr. Liz / Host

So what do you tell people who show up, who want to be willing they really do?

0:36:20 – Gina  / Guest

Or let’s say it’s a learning action. Go, just drop to cast the willingness. It’s a learn behavior. So what do you mean? So if somebody comes to you, they really want it, then you have to make sure they’re coachable and you have to call them on every single foul. So go to my website and read this. Did you go to my website? No foul, we stop here. Let me know when you’ve done what I asked you to do. Okay, and so for me, if they fail, the ordeals I don’t take the client.

0:36:50 – Dr. Liz / Host

But what about someone who’s a manager? You’re seeing Like someone who’s a manager. So someone who’s a manager who’s present at this one so then the job is to manage accountability.

0:37:01 – Gina  / Guest

The deadline was Friday. If there’s no penalty, if there’s no reward, if there’s no and you have to know the difference too. See, this is the thing In a perfect peak performance world towards focus, towards what you want. Focused on what you want is a superior mental state, okay. However, as a manager, you might have an employee who’s completely focused on what they don’t want by moving away from it. Right, they’re very stick motivated.

0:37:34 – Dr. Liz / Host

Instead of carrot motivated. Okay, people are your stick motivator carrot motivated.

0:37:39 – Gina  / Guest

Now, carrot motivated is a peak performing state. That being said, your employee didn’t ask to be a peak performer. They just got out of bed on Monday and went to work. So they don’t want to be a peak performer, they’re just in their job. And if they’re stick motivated, then your job as the manager is to one. Know that. So read the person. Know they’re stick motivated, and then B use the damn stick. So if you know that Bob is stick motivated, then you say Bob, the results have to be in by Friday, or else blank. And it could be you don’t get your bonus, or it could be like it has to be stick motivated. If you speak their language which is stick motivated, they’ll respond. Now people are like oh my God, it’s so negative. Okay, theoretically it is, but we’re not talking.

0:38:30 – Dr. Liz / Host

Well, no, but we’re not talking about an optimal world.

0:38:32 – Gina  / Guest

We’re talking about a real world.

0:38:34 – Dr. Liz / Host

Well, yes, but it’s not negative if you’re really speaking to what motivates that person. There’s nothing negative about that. That’s just facts.

0:38:42 – Gina  / Guest

Now, if the person is unhappy with that and unhappy with the fact that they keep attracting in their life all the stuff they don’t want, then you have an opening, because now you have desire. But see, until you have desire you have no opening. So you have to work with what you have and that’s the yeah, my husband’s work.

0:39:01 – Dr. Liz / Host

They started this he works for like a waste management company and there’s different parts and different teams and all this stuff and the GC. Actually he put up this contest, put everybody into random teams and then he put them in different zones and they would drop a zone. He didn’t explain anything and my husband was really upset about this and I said, well, did he assess anyone whether they’re like stick motivated or carrot motivated, cause that’s gonna work for stick motivated people Totally, and not at all If they continue like dropping down and it’s not gonna work for carrot motivated people.

They’re gonna get really upset. They’re gonna quit. Yes, yeah Well, my husband asked to be actually taken out of the contest. He wanted nothing to do with it Because he’s not stick motivated.

0:39:48 – Gina  / Guest

He’s carrot motivated. Well, he needs the promise of a freaking pizza party on Friday and he’ll do whatever they ask.

0:39:54 – Dr. Liz / Host

It was interesting. He had a sort of convoluted model cause he’s like, oh, the best team wins these prizes, but then he didn’t. It was all stick. It was so weird, so weird. But he’s like I don’t want the prize, they just take me out completely. The whole thing is awful.

0:40:09 – Gina  / Guest

Carrot motivated is reward for every step.

no penalties Now again carrot motivation doesn’t work at all for stick people, and the truth is that most people are by default kind of stick motivated, because if you’re not in charge of your focus, the world is constructed as a stick. So the media, the mainstream, it’s all geared towards focusing on what you don’t want, because that’s a form of keeping people powerless, which is useful when you’re trying to manage billions of people. Not that there’s some sort of eagle evil plot, but just it’s a very. If people just don’t step out of line, then they’re easier to manage, right.

So, easier to feed, they’re easier to clothe, et cetera. So the world is constructed that way. Because most people, by default, because they don’t think about it, they think they’re positive, they’ll use positive words, but their focus is completely away from, and so I use the words towards and away from instead of positive or negative, because you can be focused towards what you want and you can be focused away from what you don’t want, and in both instances your body will move in the direction of your goal.

But in one case you’re focused towards what you want, so you’re gonna bring more of what you want into your reality, and in the other situation, you’re focused away from what you don’t want. So, whilst you might be moving toward your goal, the instruction you’re giving the unconscious part of your mind is what you don’t want, and eventually you’ll go back to that. And that’s literally the mechanism of yo-yo dieting, of yo-yo finances. Any yo-yo result means you’re pretending you’re focused on what you want, but you’re actually not. You’re focused on what you don’t want.

And by focused I mean that’s where you’re giving your attention. So you’re saying I don’t wanna be poor, I don’t wanna be a failure, I don’t wanna be fat, whatever the word is that people use, but you would never say those words in public because they’re not socially acceptable. So you might say things like oh, my New Year’s resolution is to be fit. Or I want financial freedom. Nobody who uses the word financial freedom. Well, okay, I won’t say nobody, because I don’t like explicit.

Most people who use the goal financial freedom are focused away from being dirt poor and because nobody who wants money for the sake of expressing themselves and making a difference on the planet and impacting the world through money would ever use the phrase financial freedom, because they’re already free. Finances don’t make you free, right? So this idea of financial freedom was a big joke on people, because it sounds like you’re all focused on what you want, but you’re not. It’s like saying I wanna be fit and really what you’re doing is looking in the mirror and hating your body, but you won’t tell anybody that. So you’re actually doing yourself a disservice because your conscious mind spewing all this positive language, but your unconscious mind is focused on what you don’t want and it’s like, well, I’ve gotta bring you what you don’t want, because that’s where you’ve got me focused. You’ve got like, if this is your, unconscious mind.

0:43:26 – Dr. Liz / Host

I mean what I’m doing. Jean is running that through my head and in like an instant trying to analyze, like Dave Ramsey’s language, which his language is debt free. Even that, yeah, how about? But yeah, he’s extremely successful. His programs are extremely. Millions of people achieve debt free, right and the sense of freedom because everything is paid off including their house.

0:43:54 – Gina  / Guest

Did they just get debt free?

0:43:57 – Dr. Liz / Host

No, they relapsed. I don’t know his relapse rate. That’s a really good question, but I mean there’s enough. There’s enough millions of people that have become debt free and stayed debt free. That’s great.

0:44:09 – Gina  / Guest

But like and great and if that’s your end game, I guess it kind of works. But generally people who are spending that time and effort for finances, they actually want the freedom that comes with financial. Yes, they do, and the focus has got to be on the possibility right, not away from the prospect.

0:44:31 – Dr. Liz / Host

Well, yeah, I mean, I think his big carrot actually is that once you do achieve that, you can give freely, you can give back to people, and that’s the best feeling in the world.

0:44:41 – Gina  / Guest

There is the secret in this guy’s method. I’m going to tell you, if we pick it apart. And that’s why it works for some people, because they focus on what they can give yes, not what they get to have or whatever because we’re really like well, it’s nice to have a whatever fancy boat or something. It’s sort of empty, so and don’t yeah.

I’m a big fan of money, buy whatever you want, but what really motivates people to change their patterns is a notion of participating in life, giving, contributing, donating money to charity. You know, this is why most religions have some form of tithing as part of their practice, because then it’s not about the personal ego, it’s about the greater collective. Yes, right, and if you just focus on your debt, you’re going to just, you’re just going to bring more debt to the equation. That’s why weight loss doesn’t work, because they focus like I mean even the language we use in weight loss I lost weight. Well, what do you do when you lose your keys? Yeah, yeah, you seek them out. Uh huh, so no, right. So again, it’s all about what we don’t want. We don’t want obesity. We don’t want, yeah, health and fitness and vitality and well-being. And are you willing to do all those things?

0:46:12 – Dr. Liz / Host

Right, right. Anyone good working with weight loss, including myself, is focused on. Let’s reframe this Like what is the real goal here? Is it health? Is it putting into wonderful clothes, clothes that you like? Is it shopping in a way that feels good? You know all these positive things, but then it’s like I don’t know, would that work for the stick people?

0:46:33 – Gina  / Guest

Well, probably not. So that’s where NLP. So, to go back to the conversation, nlp is this mechanism that works in our modern time, so you can change someone’s strategy from stick to carrot. It’s just a strategy, yeah, and then they have to practice it until it becomes their norm, right? Yes so when you replace a pattern, it’s not enough to just break the pattern, although that’s important. You do have to break the pattern, but then you have to replace the pattern and that’s still not enough.

You have to replace the pattern and you have to do it until it’s dominant. Yeah, how do you know it’s dominant, while you’re consistently getting the result that previously was a challenge?

0:47:12 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, there is coaching Right.

0:47:15 – Gina  / Guest

So we have this framework that we teach at GreatnessU. That teaches all of these sorts of concepts, but it also teaches the tools, like NLP. So we have to have some tools, otherwise we can’t talk. So we use NLP, hypnosis, timeline therapy. But what we teach in the framework is, you know, all good coaches have tools and all good coaches know that they kind of need to determine where their clients at and where they want to get to, and then they need to use their tools in a specific way to hopefully execute that transition.

But what we do is we insert two sub steps. One is before you use the tools. So we call that loosening the model, the GreatnessU. And loosening the model includes, you know, destabilizing their attachment to the current way they do it. So we use language reframes, questioning. You know NLP, metamodal, milton models. So there’s a model in NLP that comes from Milton Erickson which is a language pattern designed to generate agreement.

But it’s not pure hypnosis, but it’s like something you could just use when you’re talking to someone. But if you know what hypnosis is, then technically you’re, technically you’re using a form of hypnosis, but not really. Because they don’t, there’s no real outcome. We teach all these tools and they’re all designed and the intake and you know, determined desire, determined willingness, they’re all designed to make sure the person is literally ripe, because if they really want it, they’re a 10 out of 10 of desire and they’re a 10 out of 10 in willingness. Then all you’ve got to do is execute your tools and they’ll change in an instant. That’s how long change takes and that’s why it’s an inflection point up here on my thing, because it changes instant.

Then coaches are like, oh yeah, they changed. Phew, Now your work has just begun as the coach. Now you’ve got to design a series of tasks that have the person live that new behavior day in and day out till it’s regular Right.

And as the coach you have to hold them accountable, and so for me, this is why I guarantee and my rates are what they are because my work’s guaranteed. But there are two caveats One, you have to focus on what you want, and I have a mechanism for teaching people how to know if they’re focused on what they want. And two, you have to do every single task 100% the way it was outlined when you left the office, and every time someone calls me and says, oh, I don’t have the result. One of those two things has failed, and so they have to go back.

I had a guy call me and he wanted to double his income, which, by the way, is super easy it’s just money patterns, money’s easy. And so we did it. And then he called me up and he said oh, I’m almost there, but I’m not there. And you said I’d be at 2x. And I was like, well, are you focusing on what you want? Okay, fine, I was mildly acceptable. But then at his tasks, let’s say he had 10, he was doing eight of them.

So he had 80% of his all. He’s doing eight of 10 tasks. So I’m like, well, you’re not doing two of your tasks. He’s like, oh, geez, you know, I suppose I should go do my two tasks. I was like, no, no. He’s like, oh, really. I said no, you need to start over and do all 10 again. But I did eight of them. I said I don’t care, now you have to. I said to do 10, and I’m not sure if the two will do the job, but I’m sure 10 of them will. So go back and do all 10. So okay, he went from my office, called me X number of months later. He said I’m so close, I’m 90%. I said which task haven’t you done yet? Oh, this one. Are you kidding, Right? So go back, do all 10 again, are you kidding? No, no, yeah, do 10, stop calling me Right. So then he called me a few months later and I was like hello. And he said oh my God, I just wanted to tell you like everything’s changed. It’s so amazing I’m at this new company.

I got away, you know, I didn’t realize how much the old company was stifling me and it was just going on and on and on about it. I said what’s your salary? And he said three X. Whatever X was, it was three times. And I said oh my God, amazing, good for you. See, we’re done. And he’s like oh, no, no, no, but it wasn’t at my old company. And I said I don’t give a crap where you made three X. Yeah, nowhere in my or your requirements was it to happen at the place where you were Company, right, you know what I mean, right, yeah, and he was like well, no, that doesn’t count. I’m like what are you talking about? Count? Are you making more than double what you were making when you met me? Yeah, we’re done. Yes, not only that, but you’re making triple. So actually that 10th task, but you know what I mean?

0:52:04 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yeah, but it wasn’t compounded, it wasn’t the 10th task.

0:52:09 – Gina  / Guest

The task brought him into compliance. Yeah, that’s willingness, yeah.

0:52:13 – Dr. Liz / Host

So you know, people will say oh.

0:52:14 – Gina  / Guest

Gina’s a sledgehammer.

0:52:16 – Dr. Liz / Host

I am, I am not for everybody.

0:52:17 – Gina  / Guest

If you go to my website right now and I’m going to hunt this is not a joke, I think it’s a joke I think it’s Gina Malcomcom slash coaching or whatever.

If you go to the main coaching tab, it literally says warning this is not for everybody. Go, go away, I love it, this is not for you. Because I like that’s the first test, you know what I mean? Yeah, like like people come there and they’re like, oh, oopsies, right, I don’t even want to talk to them. Then if you get through the page and you’re like, okay, I kind of want to find out more than there’s another page and up comes all the like operating agreements. So you know, I’m not going to talk about it, I’m not going to talk about it. I’m not going to talk about it. It’s like operating agreements. So, like, don’t even hit, I want more info.

If you don’t understand, it’s 3,000 bucks an hour, it’s probably 10 to 14 hours. You got to come to me, you got to do all the tasks. La-la-la-la-la If you, if you’re not, even that’s not even like in your conscious realm of possibility. I’m not for you, someone else is, I’m not, and there’s no heart feelings. If they get through that gate, then they go through a whole nother series of it’s like a video game, right and so. But do you understand? Like coach to coach. Right, whether you call yourself a coach or not. If you work with other people, you’re a coach, coach to coach. If you only take the people who are perfectly suited for what you do, not because the tools work better than the other tools, it’s the temperament of the person.

You know there’s a stigma around hypnosis Good, bad, right or wrong. Okay, I want to. I have something to say about that. So I’m going to cross my finger because I do want to make sure it gets into the show. But the bottom line is, if someone is completely resistant to hypnosis, you can be the best hypnotist in the world. It won’t work. So don’t take that client. They’re not for you. You don’t need clients. Clients need you. There’s seven billion people on the planet. Find the ones who resonate with what you do.

You know what I’m gonna say about the stigma around hypnosis and anything to that matter. If you wanted to keep things a secret and we’ve already established that advertising is hypnosis, which means the advertising founders knew this and if you really want the history of it, read a book written in the 1920s by Edward Bernice, who was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. He wrote a 100 page book called Propaganda and it explained everything. Okay, got it. This became the Bible of PR and advertising. Okay, and for most world leaders too, just as a side note, it explains everything. It’s boring, it’s 100 pages of like, very dry, but it explains everything. So if you had a secret and you knew that, if you could have people in a trance, which is just a brainwave state, and then you could make suggestions and they would accept those suggestions, if you knew this, this is a very powerful tool because you can’t make people do things against their will, so you kind of have to have their compliance.

0:55:10 – Dr. Liz / Host

Well, you won it. I do have a hypnotist friend who says I can make people do things against their will. That’s not the point. The point is I don’t want to.

0:55:19 – Gina  / Guest

But it’s not really against their will, because he can get around their will. Yeah, and I’ll tell you something the fastest way to have someone give up their will power their power, if you will is fear. That’s a fear, is a trans inducer. I don’t use hypnosis like that. So I use hypnosis at the end of a breakthrough because, as you’ve seen, you can incept an idea into the level of mind that they’ll permit you to go to. But if the problem exists below that level ie it’s an older program or more entrenched or whatever then it’s like planting a flower on top of a weed the dominant weed will thrive. So we do breakthroughs. So what we teach is something called the breakthrough process. So we teach everybody this like if you were to go through all our curriculum, you’d end up with a breakthrough process. I’m putting it all together in the breakthrough process.

And in the breakthrough process what we do is we remove all those patterns. We use NLP and timeline therapy to get rid of the patterns that are preventing change. Theoretically, the person could leave at that point. Theoretically, and as long as they replaced those patterns with new patterns towards their goals, they’d get their goals. But then we use hypnosis to plant seeds in a pristine garden bed, and so that’s why it’s very effective, because there’s nothing competing, because we’ve removed it all pre-breakthrough, and so it’s a very effective form of hypnosis, because you’re not competing with the problem.

The problem was removed using something else right, some other form of more appropriate like we took out a belief using a technique that works really well with beliefs or whatever, and so again it all comes down to compliance. Like if I’m doing timeline therapy with someone, essentially what we’re doing is rewriting time. My job is to make them do it. They don’t have to believe me, they just have to do the steps that I give them. If they do the steps, they’ll get the result. It’s not faith-based. Now, faith works, I’ve seen it. I’ve seen faith based.

0:57:34 – Dr. Liz / Host

I’ve seen. All you need is like really, at the end of the day, we all hear about those miracles, we do Right.

0:57:41 – Gina  / Guest

Because, at the end of the day, what we are doing is changing belief. But sometimes people need a little proof before they change beliefs, so it’s sometimes the cart before the horse. But one of my students wrote a book called Belief is the New Black Something really catchy at the time.

Yeah, yeah, like you know how, like whatever, like catchy, like that, and the whole thing was like. You know, what I’m noticing is that it’s ultimately we change beliefs, Even though we’re not directly challenging beliefs. What we’re doing is the person begins to believe, and I think this is what she was trying to say in her book. The person begins to believe in their causative power. Yes, yes. Once you establish that, the person’s unstoppable yeah, agreed, that’s what the movie Limitless was about. Agreed.

0:58:33 – Dr. Liz / Host

Well, I think that’s a good place to stop, because we are near the end of our time, and that’s a wonderful place to stop there. I know we can talk forever.

0:58:41 – Gina  / Guest

You have the power. That’s the place to stop the end of the day. That’s where we’re going.

0:58:45 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, right, so please tell people how to find you. I think you mentioned it before, but if they would like to check you out, or check out your coaching programs, training, all that good stuff.

0:58:56 – Gina  / Guest

I always liked like I love that the normal answers to send people to our website, but I’ve got a link tree that is always the most up to date with the things that we’re giving like a web free, webinar free this whatever my social is all there.

So, if you go to link tree right I think it’s linktree right Slash Gina Malachone, g-i-n-a-m-o-l-l-i-c-o-n-e, then that’s gonna have everything up to date. It’s gonna have the links to all my social right. And, just for those of you that are listening, my TikTok’s on fire, and two minutes ago is my jam Awesome. I don’t know why, but it just exploded. So that’s probably the coolest place to go. I love TikTok. I’ll go there Exactly.

If you just wanna go, I’m doing just like you man, yeah, but if I had you at hello and you wanna go straight to the classroom, go to greatnessucom Okay, greatnessletterucom, and just start following the prompts. Great, because that’s where we’re training people, and I have a feeling that a lot of your audience are people who are sort of in the change arena.

1:00:03 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, let’s assume that yes.

1:00:06 – Gina  / Guest

And we need everybody doing it. So, like I said, we need everybody doing it in the flavor that turns them on right In their bliss, and if you’re working in your field not working in my field and we understand that all we need are humans who have desire and willingness, it would be very rapid.

1:00:23 – Dr. Liz / Host

Yes, yeah, it is.

1:00:25 – Gina  / Guest

It is rapid.

1:00:27 – Dr. Liz / Host

All right, well, thank you so much for being here. It was an inspiring and wonderful conversation.

1:00:33 – Gina  / Guest

Thank you for having me. Let me do my thing and talk about what I love and get out of the way, so to speak, pedals.

1:01:15 – Dr. Liz / Host

I hope you truly enjoyed today’s episode. Remember that you can get free hypnosis downloads over at my website, drlizhypnosiscom. I work all over the world doing hypnosis, so if you’re interested in working with me, please schedule a free consultation over at my website and we’ll see what your goals are and if I can be of service to you in helping you reach them. Finally, if you liked today’s episode, please subscribe to the podcast or tell a friend that way, more and more people learn about the power of hypnosis. Alright, everyone, have a wonderful week, peace. This podcast is not mental health treatment, nor should it replace mental health treatment. If you need therapy or hypnotherapy, please seek treatment from a trained professional.

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