HM294 Which Door will you Open with Kryssa Bowman Hypnotist

How do you know a hypnotist or hypnotherapist is going to help you? Join me on the podcast as hypnotist Kryssa Marie Bowman and I discuss this as well as other spiritual questions.

Kryssa shares her profound insights into the mysterious world of spiritual contracts and their impact on our lives. We discuss whether these contracts can be renegotiated or canceled and explore the subtle ways they can influence us without our conscious knowledge. Kryssa also elucidates the distinctions between EMDR and hypnosis, shedding light on how communicating with different parts of the body can lead to remarkable healing.

The episode with Freja Nordjstrom is “Sex and Communication with Freja Nordjstrom, the sensualist” and can be found at https://www.drlizhypnosis.com/episode126

About Kryssa Marie Bowman

Kryssa does international training in Quantum Journeys Hypnosis, offers a global energy healing group, and works with individuals to heal with hypnosis. See more about her at https://www.kryssamariebowman.com or https://www.quantumjourneyshypnosis.com

About Dr. Liz

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Winner of numerous awards including Top 100 Moms in Business, Dr. Liz provides psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, and hypnosis to people wanting a fast, easy way to transform all around the world. She has a PhD in Clinical Psychology, is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and has special certification in Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy. Specialty areas include Anxiety, Insomnia, and Deeper Emotional Healing.

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Transcript

0:00:00 – Dr. Liz
Hey everyone, Dr Liz here. This is a wonderful conversation with hypnotist Krissa Marie Bowman. She loves to tell a good story and she’s very entertaining, and we talk about all kinds of topics here, including can a spiritual contract be changed, differences between EMDR and hypnosis, how do you talk to physical conditions or parts of your body in the process of healing, and also talking to the right aspect of your consciousness or spiritual guides. So we cover a lot of ground in this one. I hope that everyone is happy and safe and that you enjoy the interview. Peace, hi, krista. Welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast.

0:00:50 – Kryssa
Thank you so much, Liz. It’s great to be here. I really appreciate this fantastic opportunity to chat with you.

0:00:56 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, I was really excited about today’s interview.

0:01:00 – Kryssa
And it’s been a while. I haven’t done a podcast in several months, so I was actually nervous. I was nervous before today because it’s been so long.

0:01:11 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, well, we’ll jump in then I’m sure the nervousness will just go away. It’s going to like float on by once we start talking.

0:01:19 – Kryssa
So well, I’ve had a few opportunities, but I just was feeling like I needed to not be quite so in the public for a little while, like I kind of went into mode. Yeah, I’m only coming out for you, though I think I’m probably going to go back into hermit mode for a little bit longer.

0:01:37 – Dr. Liz
I appreciate it then.

0:01:38 – Kryssa
Sometimes I feel like probably like July or August. Well, july I’ll be at Hypnothot, so I have to come out of my cocoon for that, but anyway.

0:01:48 – Dr. Liz
I came out for you. It is a very public thing to do like a podcast, and I mean any kind of social media, but I think the podcast has a certain intimacy to it sometimes that the other ones don’t. So yeah, it is a leap of faith, for sure it is. There’s definitely decisions. It is unscripted, yeah.

0:02:16 – Kryssa
I’m actually, I think, more comfortable on your side of the podcast?

0:02:21 – Dr. Liz
yes, yeah, and you have a podcast. You said you have six episodes up at the time we’re recording this, which is in may of 2024, and that there’s going to be more coming. So it is a different experience to be host versus guest. For sure, but tell people about your podcast before we jump into our questions.

0:02:45 – Kryssa
It’s a, it’s just called Qquantum Jjourneys, the podcast, and um, it’s it’s a little bit woo, but also very grounded in science and empiricism. Empiricism is like I consider myself an empiricist more than a spiritualist or anything else, um, so I have guests that sort of run the spectrum, um, from you know, uh change workers that work in clinical settings but have had really interesting sort of situations that are unexplainable by current modern science.

Right Um and then, um, you know, all the way to the far end of that spectrum, people who have, you know, either led or participated in an Akashic Records journey where they discovered their soul contracts and their life purpose and mission, and they’ve renegotiated these contracts, or you know things like that, can you?

0:03:39 – Dr. Liz
renegotiate a contract.

0:03:41 – Kryssa
Absolutely. Well, you’re the one who created the contract.

True, absolutely okay, well you’re the one who created the contract. True, you know, I mean it’s a higher dimension of your consciousness but you created the contract for you in order to experience certain things and gain certain insights and expand your awareness, and so you can absolutely cancel the contract. You can renegotiate the contract and this is interesting, I have found out just through doing all these sessions. Sometimes the contract, you can renegotiate the contract, and this is interesting, I have found out just through doing all these sessions. Sometimes the contract has already been fulfilled, but we just didn’t get the memo at a subconscious level. Okay, we’re still going through the same motions, as if this is the pattern we’re supposed to be engaged in, but it doesn’t quite feel right. But we keep doing it out of familiarity. But it turns out we’ve actually fulfilled it some time ago, maybe even another lifetime, and it just sort of got stuck in the consciousness.

0:04:31 – Dr. Liz
Okay, fascinating. I’m fascinated right now because I have this I think it’s a had actually this contract with my oldest daughter, who’s in Asheville, north Carolina, and I talked to her about it recently because it was this I had this BQH session and we had this contract that I would move closer to her, which was never in my plans really as a mom. It wasn’t like I opposed to living close to my kids, but it was more just like yep, you go out, you go out into the world, you know, you do your thing, see what happens. So I talked to her about it recently and I said I’m not sure that’s that’s going to happen. I’m still having difficulty finding a city that feels right, that’s close to you. And I had had another I’m going to call her a mentor. There’s a mentor that I work with where we had talked about the spiritual contract and she’s like I think you really need to tune in to whether that’s accurate. What was created, what was the feeling, what was the information you needed, like everything you basically just said.

0:05:43 – Kryssa
Well, and also we can misinterpret things too sometimes, because it’s all being filtered through the lens of our current personality. So I wonder if, like you know the concept of being moving closer to your daughter, maybe it meant energetically moving closer to your daughter, maybe it didn’t mean geographically.

0:06:00 – Dr. Liz
Yes, yes, it’s very possible. And I mean at the time, during this session it was I felt like it was literal. Okay, after I wasn’t so sure. Okay, let me put it that way. A year later, I’m not so sure.

0:06:13 – Kryssa
That’s interesting that you can cancel contracts. You can renegotiate and cancel. You can also fire spirit guides if they’re not working with you in the way that you need. This did not occur to me until probably I don’t know less than a year ago, and it happened with me myself.

I had this old belief that, in order to go through life with a sense of, you know, just being humble and having gratitude, that it’s best not to be too materialistic, and so I had this pattern of blocking money and prosperity from coming into my life. So when I went into my you know, my, my sort of daily self-hypnosis slash meditation thing, and I was like all right, I would just like to figure out what’s going on with this. I want to learn more. What can we do? Is there any wiggle room? And pretty much everybody at the table was like you know, we feel like you’re pretty good, Like you’ve got a pretty solid foundation of, like, humility and gratitude. I don’t. I don’t think we need you need to keep having this particular thing holding you back, Because I was really worried about getting too big for my britches. Apparently, I’ve had lifetimes where I was and it didn’t work out well. So, anyway, I didn’t want my ego to take over, right? And I figured. Well, one way to make sure that that doesn’t happen is to just keep myself in survival mode, struggling all the time.

Anyway. So I myself, my higher consciousness or at least the version, the aspect of my higher consciousness that I was able to communicate with in that particular moment, as well as these various guides and helpers and ancestors, were all on board and they’re like yeah, no, you got this, you don’t need to keep doing this this way. That’s fine, Like, just open the floodgates. But I had one that was like holding out, like no, that’s why you hired, I am here to make sure that you do not do this. And I was like well, that’s just silly. Can I trade you out, Because everybody else is on board except for you? Like, why are you holding out on me? And, and surprise, he was like yeah, oh, that’s, my whole purpose for being here was just to anchor that in, and if you don’t need that anymore, then yeah, I’m out of here.

And I was like okay like, consider the position vacated and we will be on the search for you know, somebody to to fulfill that um in the new way.

0:08:50 – Dr. Liz
And so cool.

0:08:51 – Kryssa
Yeah, and ever since then it’s been like hiccups, but like things have been flowing easier. It’s not such a I no longer have that mindset of, like you know, having to like scrounge and scrabble for every dollar, like now. It’s more just like all I had to do is sort of remove the obstacle and the money was already there. It was just like backed up at the door, like we can’t get in, you know, and I’m like oh we’ll just come on in.

I also had this conversation with it where, like when it did come in, it was like can you not just immediately put us to work though? Like, like, every time we come to the door and you finally open up and let a little bit of us in, you’re like okay, get to work, you, you need to pay this bill, you need to go make this thing happen. You’re really behind on this one. And they’re like that doesn’t feel good. Krista, not just this of money wants to go where it’s like enjoyed, not just where it has to meet. Like you wouldn’t open up the door to a guest and say like here’s your mop, here’s your bucket, get to work, and then kick them out as soon as they do the work Right. True, that was pretty eyeopening.

0:09:52 – Dr. Liz
Ah, wonderful. Yeah, it is a different feeling I found in my own life of when that feels unblocked. It’s like it’s just there, the money is there. It’s like look where all this money came from. Like I don’t know.

0:10:10 – Kryssa
I mean, I’ve been working, but it’s like it’s there. Well, I think when you’re working for the money, it has a different feel than when you’re working, because you enjoy the work and then the money is there, just like you would assume that when you turn on the faucet, water will be there, right, it’s just gonna be there, um, because it’s always there and all you got to do is actually just turn in order for it to flow.

0:10:32 – Dr. Liz
so that’s that’s how I perceive it now, like the work is just me turning the faucet instead of wonderful pulling for every last little yeah, right, but I was raised like to the river and scoop it up in a bucket and take it back, right, yeah.

0:10:47 – Kryssa
Yeah, yep, and it has also given me an increased understanding and appreciation for for just having indoor plumbing in general, because that’s the metaphor, but still it’s true, like if every day I did have to go like you know, walk, grab water, bring it back, and then go like you know, walk, grab water, bring it back, and then yeah, and anyway. Just like, yeah, oh, and just being able to take like a hot bath at night, oh, my gosh. So it’s so silly, but like it made me so much more grateful, like the things that we take for granted, you know well, it’s funny because we’re.

0:11:19 – Dr. Liz
I’m laughing because we’re talking about that. You moved from Montana last year to North Carolina and I’m imagining that takes a long time for the water to get hot in Montana.

0:11:32 – Kryssa
It actually does, and every night was how I like stayed sane, because it was there, yeah, yeah, it’s actually after 30 years, that’s the thing that finally like was like the last winter that I spent there.

There was one day when I opened up my front door and I could like, the snow was like past, it was almost to my chest. I just looked at that and I was like, no, we’re not doing this for another year, just like. No, I couldn’t even shovel it. I had to call a service to come and just like, get me out, like then shovel my car out, you know, yeah, anyway, you’re right, it was yeah it does, and I’m in South Florida.

0:12:16 – Dr. Liz
I was doing some yard work yesterday and just sort of like refreshing the front, which felt really nice, and I repainted a little fairy door and a gnome he needed, his hat is repainted and all this stuff. But it was so hot and I got in the shower and put it on the like coldest setting. It was still not cold enough because it’s like actually warm here, right, right when it comes out yes, it’s like, oh my gosh, like I need like a freezer pack on the neck, you know, to cool down.

0:12:46 – Kryssa
Yeah, but yeah, big difference yeah, swimming in the ocean right now is like the perfect for me. Like in North Carolina, yeah, because the water is chilly but it gets hot just lying on the sand. But, like come August, the water is just as hot and so yeah refreshing it, not refreshing.

0:13:04 – Dr. Liz
It’s like oh, that’s no fun, yeah, and in South Floridians we don’t go in the water in the summer. It’s like taking a warm bath, yeah, which is, you know, can be nice in itself, but not when you’re sitting on the hot sand.

0:13:18 – Kryssa
Right, if you want something refreshing, for sure you do, you do.

0:13:22 – Dr. Liz
So we had originally talked about doing this interview so that you could share your experience with EMDR Right, I get questions from people, sometimes at a call up, and they I offer a free consultation so that I make sure we’re a good fit to work with somebody.

0:13:40 – Kryssa
And.

0:13:41 – Dr. Liz
I do the same, yep, and sometimes people will say, well, what’s the difference between EMDR or hypnosis? And so I wanted to do a couple of episodes about that. And you had said you have a lot of experience with EMDR.

0:13:56 – Kryssa
Yeah, Over a decade. But from the perspective of the patient, yes, not the practitioner, yeah, um. So I had quite a bit of childhood trauma and even some adulthood trauma packed on top of that. So I was diagnosed with complex PTSD.

0:14:14 – Dr. Liz
Okay.

0:14:15 – Kryssa
And my therapist was one of the very first people to get fully certified and educated in EMDR.

So this was back in the very early 2000s Okay yeah, and there wasn’t much known about it yet Like there had been a lot of research in clinical studies and they had done. There was a lot of empirical research, like children from Bosnia who had gone through or conflicts there and using EMDR to help them process, and so there was that, but it wasn’t really catching across, you know, the nation yet. So anyway, it was, it was pretty new, and so the difference, what I would say, is it’s kind of like, you know, trying to think of a good metaphor, they both end up having similar effects in the long run, but it’s completely different approaches, you know, and so you know, if you’re hungry, you can fill up your belly with this, you can fill up your belly with that. They’re two completely different things, but they’re going to, they’re both going to nourish you.

So I look at, you know, most clinical hypnosis traditional clinical hypnosis is working at the level of the subconscious mind and it’s going to be rewiring certain neural pathways that are associated with belief systems and perceptions yes, and behaviors. So EMDR does the same thing. It rewires neural pathways that are associated with those things, but also by depotentiating the neural pathways that are fact there’s some that I don’t even really remember. My own mind has repressed them for my safety, right and sanity, and so what EMDR did was just deal with as the emotion comes up, much like hypnosis as the emotion comes up, dealing with that and then depotentiating it from there, which is going to have an effect on the neural pathways involved.

0:16:25 – Dr. Liz
Okay, can you explain the term depotentiate for our listeners?

0:16:28 – Kryssa
Sort of like neutralize, neutralize so that it’s not as strong. So it’s taking a big trigger and just turning the volume way down.

It might get rid of it entirely. It might not, but at least it will be manageable. So you know, if it’s constantly throbbing at like an eight, nine, 10, and you can get it down to like a one or a two, then you can be functional again, which at that point your brain is kind of teaching your mind that it’s possible to do that, and so it itself. The brain might then continue to take on the work that it’s already learning and depotentiate it all the way down, neutralize it all the way to zero. My own brain has done that. I used to have agoraphobia, I mean.

0:17:11 – Dr. Liz
I know a lot about anxiety.

0:17:12 – Kryssa
That’s why I was having EMDR was there was CPTSD and agoraphobia.

0:17:17 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, and agoraphobia.

0:17:19 – Kryssa
For those of you who don’t know, is you can’t leave the house, really Anxiety trouble you have um, uh, the house really anxiety, trouble your panic attacks when you leave the house.

0:17:27 – Dr. Liz
And I could leave the house.

0:17:31 – Kryssa
So mine wasn’t full blown, my I w it was still considered agoraphobia, but like I could leave the house. It was very difficult. It was a battle, massive internal battle. I just had to push through the panic. But I also didn’t have an option out because there wasn’t a husband. I had infant babies. There was a husband for the first year, but after that there wasn’t. They needed diapers, laundry detergent, food, you know, and I also had two school-age kids. So like I couldn’t not leave the house. But I had all these like little agreements in place and that’s what the EMDR helped me with was like okay, I can leave the house. If I have a second person, I can leave the house. If I’m going to be back within 20 minutes, I can leave the house.

If it’s no more than two miles, like you know things like that, but it was still technically agoraphobia. So yeah, fear of leaving the house.

0:18:18 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, and as an anxiety specialist, we call those safety behaviors. So you’re making safety contracts with yourself, like if I do this and it’ll be safe to leave the house, or safer to leave the house, so then it becomes more manageable.

0:18:30 – Kryssa
Actually the safety thing. It was just safe that I didn’t. What I was most worried about and this is, I think, across the board with most people with agoraphobia is having a panic attack and not being able to get home.

0:18:41 – Dr. Liz
Yeah.

0:18:42 – Kryssa
Having a panic attack out in public and not being able to get home. Yeah, Having a panic attack out in public, having a panic attack somewhere that I can’t be safe you know, and so that was. It wasn’t like I was afraid that I was going to leave the house and some horrific thing was going to happen to me. The horror was the panic.

0:18:57 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, it becomes primary. The fear of the panic attack actually becomes primary.

0:19:04 – Kryssa
Panic attack actually becomes primary the fear of being afraid. Yes, the fear of being afraid, right, and EMDR helped a lot. It didn’t completely shift it out of me, though, but it helped a lot. Okay, we also did some gestalt style parts therapy, ifs type things, you know, internal family systems for people who don’t know what IFS is. Ifs type things you know, internal family systems for people who don’t know what IFS is. Um, to work with the parts that were involved with the anxiety and with the agoraphobia. Yeah, but again, it helped a lot, but it didn’t completely shift it out.

0:19:41 – Dr. Liz
The thing that finally neutralized it was hypnosis, was hypnosis. So how I don’t think it like hypnosis. Then with hypnosis, so how I don’t think it like hypnosis. Then, yeah, it’s, it’s not together, it’s um. It’s interesting that you say that, because I don’t see it as an either, or I think people find the practitioner they need at the time right and so sometimes I do recommend.

If someone calls me, I and I start to get a feeling of like, no, why don’t? Why don’t you call my friend who does EMDR, my colleague, like I think that’s the path that you really it feels like you should go down versus hypnosis. Sometimes they come to me after they’ve had EMDR and they feel like, okay, it did help them, but there’s still something left.

0:20:21 – Kryssa
And so now they’re, but there’s still something left, and so now they’re, they’re ready. You’re spot on with that. I absolutely agree that like we find the practitioner that we need and I love metaphors, so here’s another metaphor. But it’s like each practitioner like loosens up the tight lid on the pickle jar and eventually we can pop the lid all the way off. But that doesn’t mean that that practitioner, like had any more magical juice than the other ones. It’s just that each, each modality, each attempt, each practitioner, each whatever is working to release the layers so that we can finally release the issue, the problem, the whatever it is. Yes, yeah, and I, I don’t believe that there is a one size fits all. Yeah, me, neither, you know. I think with certain things maybe that are very analog, like very just on or off, like smoking, you know, you might be able to have more of that. But even then it’s really important to find the right practitioner, because you have to have that sense of trust and rapport.

So even if you’re like the greatest smoking cessation practitioner known on the face of the planet, if you have a client that doesn’t feel comfortable with you it’s not going to be as effective, whereas like a brand new up and coming hypnotist that doesn’t really know that much or hasn’t been doing it for a whole long time, but you have that rapport and that trust. They might actually get that movement, you know.

0:21:48 – Dr. Liz
I do smoking sensation. I actually have about a 95% success rate in like one session, yes, and occasionally I’ll have someone who needs more than one session and they sometimes need to just do some very deep process to make sure that you guys have good.

Well, what I was going to say is that often I don’t see it as the practitioner, I see it as the readiness of the client. So if someone’s typically I can hear it If someone is really committed to doing it, that they’re ready, they’re doing it for themselves. Sometimes, if they say, well, you know this happens, they’ll literally call me on the way home from the hospital and they’ll say I have to stop smoking. It’s just in the hospital. And so I said well, you know, give me a call back with 10 other reasons for yourself that your doctor told you, because your doctor’s probably told you for 30 years to stop smoking. You know like it’s not a reason to stop smoking really, and you know who knows if they’re right or not. I don’t know. Yeah, give me your own reasons, come up with those, Give me a call back. There is an interaction there. I do see what you’re saying.

0:23:02 – Kryssa
You could have a baby hypnotist, let’s say beginning hypnotist, but they can still help you stop smoking if the fit is right, I think that’s absolutely such an important part that gets often overlooked when you know well, you know how people in our particular industry have a tendency to hoard certifications, always thinking we need to have the next one, the new one, the better one.

0:23:30 – Dr. Liz
You can take a million certifications and do nothing actually.

0:23:35 – Kryssa
You can see my wall so I mean I’m not immune. But you know, when we keep thinking that, like you know, the next one’s going to be the one that really does it. And honestly, I think it’s great that we have all these tools right it’s fantastic and the skills to use them and everything. It comes down so much, so much, to the rapport and the sense of trust that the client has, and I don’t necessarily think that that’s 100% on the confidence of the hypnotist.

I know that that’s something a lot of people would disagree with me about, but I don’t think we need to go in there with like false bravado of like I can do anything all the time I have a 100% success rate and then like think that that’s what gets the client to trust you. I think, they’ll be like oh, this person’s you know, full of BS.

0:24:25 – Dr. Liz
Oh no, I. I see it actually as quite the opposite, like spiritually, whoever needs to find me will find me, and that has nothing to do with my confidence or really how many certifications I have. Right, it’s yeah.

0:24:40 – Kryssa
And when I started substituting curiosity yeah.

0:24:46 – Dr. Liz
And when I started substituting curiosity for confidence I.

0:24:47 – Kryssa
It changed everything. I was like I feel a hundred percent confident that I can help you. I was just like, well, let’s go see what’s what we can find out Like. Let’s do this as a collaborative effort. We’re in this, let’s go find out what’s going on and see what we can do. You know, to improve things.

And then I’ve got their buy-in because they’re like, yeah, I want to do that, this is my life, I want to have, I want to be a collaborator with you on these changes, absolutely. And it changed because then I’m legitimately 100% invested in them as the main character in the session, because they are the most fascinating person in the world to me while we’re going through this, because I’m so curious on what they’re going to discover, not what I’m going to discover, what they’re going to discover.

And it just changed the whole dynamic entirely. Instead of it being about my confidence or my ego or my certifications or me me me Now it’s like not about me at all, it’s about them. And then me just having this beautiful toolbox of all of these different things that I can pull out and be like. I think this one will really help. Would you like to try it?

0:25:47 – Dr. Liz
You know, yes, yes.

0:25:49 – Kryssa
And then they accept it and go yes.

0:25:52 – Dr. Liz
So how did you find your way to hypnosis? You said from EMDR to hypnosis.

0:25:58 – Kryssa
Yep, so it’s with the EMDR after. I mean, like most people have a very short run of EMDR. I was seeing a therapist for 13 years and we were doing EMDR for 10 of those 13 years.

0:26:12 – Dr. Liz
Not like every session.

0:26:13 – Kryssa
I’m assuming no but a lot of them. A lot of them I just don’t like weekly sessions, sometimes weekly, sometimes we would do it every two weeks. There were like breaks in between, here and there too, when my agoraphobia would get really bad. I couldn’t even go see her, and then we did start off with her coming to me, which was like fantastic, because that’s not something that most people. It was before the days of zoom. So now, I can help anybody.

We can just do it online. But back then that wasn’t the case. Case but yeah. So, um, she referred me to a local hypnotherapist and in three sessions it was depotentiated, it was gone. It was pretty much like I couldn’t even believe it. I was so, um, like I would go. It wasn’t even like a switch and on off. What happened was I would be doing my normal thing, my normal way, thinking like, okay, I need to go to target today, it’s less than two miles away. What time is it right now? As long as I’m back by this time, then I’ll be okay.

Or like I would look for somebody to come with me, and then the time would just pass by and I wouldn’t remember that I was supposed to get back home in order to feel safe and like I would just keep shopping and then I would notice and be like I’m like 20 minutes past my time. I’m just gonna keep going and see what happens. Then I get all excited and I’d be like I think I might go out to lunch and then I’d be like I’m still doing good and then, like I would just kind of notice like, oh, and I don’t even have a second person, like what is all this about?

So, yeah, three hypnosis sessions helped me and again, like we were just talking about, it’s not like the EMDR didn’t yeah, helped me a lot and I think I needed that to get to the point where I could accept all of the stuff that was happening in hypnosis, because we did dive deep and I actually did some regression, which I’m much more picky about now because I what happened to me but I did have to go diving into some memories that I really wasn’t comfortable with you know, and it was.

It was hard, but effective. I will, I will say that I have since then that was years ago. Since then found much more effective ways of dealing with regression, so you don’t have to go into the traumatic memories.

0:28:29 – Dr. Liz
But anyway, Tell us cause a lot of people are afraid of regression. I do regression not always, it’s not always appropriate, but yeah, a lot of people are afraid of it.

0:28:40 – Kryssa
The method that I use. It’s very client centered, and so the induction that I use in quantum journeys, hypnosis, very intentionally takes their analytical mind, or their critical faculties, what it’s technically called and doesn’t just set it aside, it like, puts it all the way to sleep, and if at any point it starts to wake up and observe, I ask the client to check on it and go, is it still sleeping? And they’ll be like, oh it’s watching, like, okay, well, go go soothe it.

You know, go give it a blanket or a teddy bear or a purring kitty or whatever it needs, in order to just and just let it know that I’m recording this, so it doesn’t have to stay like plugged in, checked in you know it can watch this later.

And then I put it on their shoulders, go put it back to sleep. And then, when they do, I’m like, okay, now we can continue on. But what we do is we go to this place, I call the hallway of answers, okay, and instead of directing the client to where to go, I say I would like your highest self to reveal which doorway we need to go through, and just let me know when you know. And then I just wait them out.

And then they’ll be like it’s the third door on the left. I can see a light under it, or it just opened, or there’s a arrow pointing to it, or a hummingbird or like. It’s always different for every client. I always just ask how did it reveal itself? Well, now we’ve got two things. One they know their highest self absolutely exists because it just pointed out a doorway, okay. Two wherever we go, it’s going to be safe, because this is the client, not the practitioner that’s leading. They’ve found the doorway, they’re about to go through it, their highest self is on board, and so I don’t know what’s going to be on the other side of it. Nine times out of 10, it’s going to be some form of regression. I shouldn’t say maybe more like seven out of 10, it’s going to be some form of regression, but could be to this life, it could be to another life.

0:30:44 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, an earlier age, Right?

0:30:47 – Kryssa
Um, and so one of the ways that we deal with this if they they stumble upon the scene that happens to be, you know, an old trauma, um, I just have them stand back and watch it instead of being inserted into it, so completely dissociated from it.

0:31:04 – Dr. Liz
That is actually how I was trained, is that?

0:31:08 – Kryssa
I wasn’t initially.

0:31:09 – Dr. Liz
You weren’t. No, oh yeah, but it’s trained like you do not want someone re-experiencing the trauma. You want them seeing it from afar, like a movie or a fly on the wall or something, so that you’re not re-traumatizing someone.

0:31:23 – Kryssa
My first training did not put emphasis on that. I put a question in the online forum asking about that, because I had started taking MMHA also, and you know, mike Mandela was saying, like you can always just put it on a movie screen, yeah, put yourself in the position of audience and the projector and that way you have complete control. And I was like I love that.

So I brought it up in that online forum of the other academy and I got deleted. That question got deleted and then, because I’m such a rabble rouser and I asked too many questions all the time, I eventually got booted completely. I got deleted, gosh. So it’s a really legitimate question. Yeah, oh, okay, that’s also how I started. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the hypnotherapy uncensored building a better practice Facebook group around this.

0:32:15 – Dr. Liz
No, it’s at Jason, that’s not Jason Linitz, it’s. No. No, it’s my own, but he’s in it, it’s yours, okay.

0:32:21 – Kryssa
Um, I’m like, I know I’m in that one and I’m in Jason Linitz. No, no, it’s my own, but he’s in it, it’s yours. Oh, okay, I’m a different guest.

0:32:23 – Dr. Liz
I’m like I know I’m in that one and I’m in Jason Linitz and it’s yours. Okay, there’s a lot.

0:32:28 – Kryssa
Well, so that’s the one where, on the first Wednesday of every month, I have a different spotlight guest host. So the next one, june 5th, is going to be Scott Sandlin. He’s the um, the founder, along with Stephanie Skiba, of HypnoThoughts Live. Last month it was Roy Hunter. We’ve had um Jason Linnet on there a couple of times. Um, we’ve had Jess Marion, beryl Comar, bob Burns, uh, richard Nongard, Um, oh my gosh, like just so many great people. So yeah.

0:33:00 – Dr. Liz
So for the listener, these are all big names in the in the hypnosis arena like typically non-clinical meaning like um they’re hypnotists versus like hypnotherapists, although Richard Nongard has a, a master’s degree in counseling. So there, there is some overlap there. I think Beryl, I think she does too. I think Beryl, I think she does too, doesn’t she? She’s clinically trained? I’m not sure. Yeah, I’m not sure either, but anyway, they’re big names, most of them run some kind of training programs or certifications.

0:33:34 – Kryssa
My favorite conversations have been with, like not big huge names, or with people who weren’t big, huge but then started to become really big, huge, like I uh, I had, uh, freya.

0:33:45 – Dr. Liz
I love Freya.

0:33:46 – Kryssa
New York, new York, and then also um Kaz Riley, and then she just skyrocketed into like the big, the big stage.

0:33:55 – Dr. Liz
So yeah, I love that. I love it when I catch them, like when they’re a rising star and then, and then he’s been on the podcast. He’s fantastic, actually about sex and hypnosis and it is one of my top episodes of all time. Like, when you look at your podcast stats, you can see which ones are being listened to and downloaded the most, and hers is still fantastic voice. Oh my gosh, she does. Yeah, and I. I did some work with her, like I. You know we actually treated I did some for her.

She did some for me. She’s really fantastic, yeah, I love that about our community.

0:34:32 – Kryssa
I I’ve done lots of trade sessions, yeah, all over the place she and I trade sessions a lot. She’s also been a guest but anyway, the reason why I brought that up is because because of my experiences with that first training program, where I kept getting censored.

I wanted to learn more from different trainers and also from the students of those trainers, like, well, what’s your experience with these tools, you know? And so I couldn’t find anything that was just like like a clearinghouse of, like a network for all of the different trainings out there. So I was like, well, I guess I’m just going to create one, because I need that for me so.

0:35:14 – Dr. Liz
I did. It doesn’t exist, I’ll create it.

0:35:18 – Kryssa
So I did, and so now it’s got almost a thousand members and it’s been going since, I think, 2021 and um and and yeah, it’s it’s. It’s all just about like all of the different modalities and there’s no jealousy or competition. It’s just like we’re all just sharing, uh, our valuable knowledge, education, information, insights, etc. With each other, and I love that.

0:35:39 – Dr. Liz
I love that, yes, yeah, yeah it’s, it’s a. That’s a wonderful vibe. There are some groups that don’t always have that vibe. Well, you got to think about it.

0:35:48 – Kryssa
A lot of people who are drawn to hypnosis therapy, I think, are very driven let’s just put that very driven, very achievement oriented, and you kind of have to be a little bit just to have the initial confidence to get going with it. You know, yes, it’s like starting your own business. Yeah, right, um, and trust that you would be able to help people, right? So yes, but I think that um, there’s just a lot of egos that they can.

They there can be, for sure not always not across the board, but there can be. Yeah, um, I think it’s. I think with any industry you’ll find that, but I think it’s particularly like, uh, higher in in our industry, just because of the nature of what we do, especially when you’re talking about, like, entertainment style hypnosis and stage hypnosis and street hypnosis and things where you really have to like, you have to have a strong ego. That’s not a bad thing there, like you need that, you know.

0:36:42 – Dr. Liz
Yeah, yeah, I’m not really competitive at that, you know yeah, I’m not really involved in that.

I’m not really involved in that world at all, but like stage hypnosis or anything I mean, um, I love Rich Guzzi. I’ve met him in person and he’s a super sweetheart. He does lots of training around stage hypnosis. I mean, I come to it from the clinical side, right. So first I was a therapist, then I got trained in hypnosis as another skill to use in my practice, just like you know, cognitive behavior therapy or a specialty in working with OCD, like it was just something that I added and then I loved it so much that it really became more of a specialty for me.

0:37:25 – Kryssa
So my academic background is actually in applied psychology, but I applied is not the like touchy, feely counseling kind. It’s not research, heavy meta analysis, laboratory, right, but that fascinates me. Like I didn’t want to deal with people’s messy emotions, that was not what I was interested in at all well that’s where the empirical side comes from.

Yeah, right, yeah, I wanted to understand, like, how the brain works and, um, how the nervous system works and the interaction between them. And when I first started, uh, learning more about hypnotherapy, I was coming at it from that perspective, which I would consider, you know, pretty clinical. Yeah, but I was raised in a very new age way that I had rebelled against for several years. By the way, I, like you know, lived on a I guess they’d call it a hippie commune now, but it’s a new age intentional community, right, I see? Yes, anyway, you know, I went through my rebellious teenage years, young adult years, and so I, like turned my back on all that stuff and I wanted only hardcore science, you know and and even psychology, was like teetering on the edge of pseudoscience, which is why I went to psychology.

Psychology, yeah Right. And so when I, when I started studying hypnosis and after I think I don’t know three or four different like academies that I went through and you know, just collecting different tools along the way something changed in my sessions and I started having conversations with aspects of my clients that weren’t necessarily their subconscious but were something that knew and understood everything about that client from their entire life and in the womb and as I later discovered from even before that, and so I guess I came full circle, because now again, I’m still approaching it as an empiricist, but I’m seeing that when people communicate with aspects of their higher consciousness, that higher consciousness is so much more effective at creating change in that person than I am as a hypnotist.

Yeah, so my job at that point is get them into a trance state and help facilitate. Yeah, don’t wait Right, let them find the part of themselves that knows how to heal them. And so I’m almost like somewhere between a facilitator and a translator, because I’m like, or like a telephone operator. I’m like finding who we need to talk to as far as that person’s consciousness, and then plugging them in together so that they can have the conversations that they need to have, and I mostly stay back and just ask questions.

0:40:12 – Dr. Liz
Yeah.

0:40:14 – Kryssa
Beautiful, and it takes a lot of the pressure off me too, because I don’t have to have a gazillion different, like you know tools now.

0:40:24 – Dr. Liz
It tips off a memory in me. I have a mentor and we’re. I have a couple of mentors, but this one was particularly for hypnosis and he was my first one. When I first got started doing hypnosis I met him at a conference, a Florida society, a clinical hypnosis conference. He said I love to mentor. I said great. But he asked me one time he’s like why are you trying to help? I was like what Cause? I was like I can’t help this client. I can’t, you know. He’s like why are you trying to help? The question confused me so much at the moment. Yeah, of course I understand what he was trying to say. Like the client really has to help themselves. Like you are the facilitator, absolutely, but you’re not going to come in and fix a client. Right, that’s not going to happen.

0:41:12 – Kryssa
You’re going to offer them a map perhaps that they can choose to follow to you know? Yes, but yeah, like, as far as the well, what I call it is communicating with multidimensional consciousness, because it’s not always higher consciousness, it’s not always. It’s still kind of woo, but like, one of the first things that happened was somebody had a conversation with a tumor.

They had a cancerous tumor and I was asking to speak to the part that had everything to do with this tumor, and we was asking to speak to the part that had everything to do with this tumor and we ended up speaking directly to the tumor, and what I discovered from that is talk to the T cells, not the tumor, because cancerous cells are very confused.

They have this intensely strong desire to survive at all costs, even though they know their survival will kill their host and ultimately themselves. They are aware of this, but they just have, like it’s like a one track mind. They can’t do it any other way. So what I discovered after having a conversation with a cancerous tumor was talk to the T cells, because they know what’s going on and they, they have, um, like more sentience, they understood what their job is, and so, talking to the T cells that could then go into the cancerous cells and and destroy them from the inside out. That worked. I also had a conversation with somebody who had a heart condition, and she’s otherwise perfectly healthy woman, but she, um, she had this, this heart condition, and um, and so I was like, well, at that point I’d already had a few sessions where we could talk to a different part of the person’s body and get actual information and and start rewiring things.

So I was like, well, let’s just go talk to your heart. So she was like, oh, okay, I don’t know what’s going to happen, but let’s just keep an open mind. Maybe your heart has something to say. So got her into a state of trance and her heart did it. It basically said the scaffolding didn’t work, that the scaffolding was weak and it was the actual muscle itself that was like not being supported properly, and that that was what was at the foundation of causing the problems that she was having. So she had this diagnosis. But the diagnosis is, you know, over here. The cause of it was over here.

So we finally figured out what the cause was and it was showing her what it needed. And so I was like, well, is that something that we can do right here, right now in the session? And it said yes. So we needed to get her inner healer on board and we needed to. It told us to direct green light energy into and she could see it. I couldn’t see it but into where all of the scaffolding comes together, and it was like this lattice work and she said that she could see as it was being repaired. It started to light up and get stronger everywhere.

And I was like huh, started to light up and get stronger everywhere, and I was like huh, yeah, and she got better. It took three sessions. We had to continue to work with her.

0:44:07 – Dr. Liz
It wasn’t just like a one and done yeah you know this lifelong heart condition that she’d had got better, um, oh yeah they’re talking to directly, to like the, the consciousness of the cells of your body yes, yeah, it’s not just you’re trying to say, it’s not just subconscious, not just higher guides, not just you know past lives for lack of a better term. Um, it’s, sometimes it’s multidimensional, sometimes cells, or sometimes the condition, or sometimes an organ.

0:44:36 – Kryssa
And it does seem like with the higher consciousness there’s multiple levels and layers and I have found it’s not super helpful to go too high If you go meaning. Well, there’s like an aspect of the higher consciousness that’s not really all that concerned with our tiny little 3d human life.

0:44:53 – Dr. Liz
Oh God, like, we’re just like a pinky toe.

0:44:56 – Kryssa
We’re just like this little thing. That’s like, well, you’re part of the organism, but you’re not that important, you know. And so like the perspective is so high, Right, like you don’t want to be helpful for us of like no, but really I’m.

0:45:10 – Dr. Liz
you know, I’m so tired over here, what can I do? And they’re like don’t worry about it.

0:45:14 – Kryssa
It’s a tiny little life you’re living down there. So, yeah, if you, if you go too high up, it’s just like whatever man that life’s going to be over in a blink, don’t even worry about it, it’s going to work out.

Why are you suffering? So you’re not going to want to ask career advice from that aspect of your high school success, because it’s going to be like whatever do whatever you want, I don’t care, you know. Like, just let me know when you’re done so I can absorb all of the lessons into the greater, you know, expansion of, of the, of the whole organism, uh, but then we’re going to send you back and again, if you, if you’d like, you know, um, so I did ask for your advice once during like a spiritual session, and because I was thinking, oh, you know, it’s really nice just to go into like storage or something.

0:46:02 – Dr. Liz
I did get the advice back of like no, you’re here to be a healer. I’ve heard it over and over again. It’s like I guess I need to hear that again. You know, like I’m not gonna run to like a massive storage facility or like I’m not on the practical plane here in this life. Yeah, it’s funny.

0:46:21 – Kryssa
That’s what we’re supposed to be doing. So, like that no-transcript, right, okay, you just lose all interest in, like, what’s actually happening here and now, which defeats the whole purpose of being here. Now, this is a spiritual experience. We’re having a spiritual experience just by being here. Yes, yeah, but yeah. So talking to the right aspect of your consciousness is the important part. So when you want to ask for career advice, you want to ask an aspect that’s closer to caring about your career. That makes sense. And I was just going to say you reminded me of something.

I recently had a session with somebody who is in the healing arts, but her higher self said you’re actually not meant to be a healer. Oh, really, she was like really. And it said, yeah, I can’t remember exactly how it put it, but the message received from this whole conversation was something about, like her point in this incarnation, her purpose in this incarnation is to continue to keep her frequency high so she could anchor in higher energetic frequency wherever she lives and with whoever she’s around. Just by being alive she’s around, just by being alive, she’s already bringing about healing, just existing. She doesn’t have to go into a career doing that.

0:48:12 – Dr. Liz
Okay, interesting, yeah, um, it said she could, but it basically said choose a career that brings you joy instead of one that feels oh, I had a similar thing happened recently where she’s really burned out actually, and she was a healer and like she really just went to you know, go, I don’t know, live on a farm and raise chickens, which I’m all for, I love chickens, but um, but it basically gave her the same information. It doesn’t matter what you do, right, just pick something that makes you happy, doesn’t matter.

0:48:44 – Kryssa
And some people that’s exactly what’s neat, like that’s their whole, that’s their purpose. They think their purpose is they’re supposed to, like you know, get this education and have that career and buy this house and have those kids and have this marriage. But from a soul perspective, you know, in many cases it’s more just like no. You need to find what brings you joy so that you let that joy trickle off of you onto everybody else around you. Yeah, yeah. And I think that if, um, if being in the healing arts doesn’t bring joy, if all it is is exhausting, then maybe consider that you’re perhaps not in it for the right reasons, cause I think there’s a lot of people who feel drawn to the healing arts because it’s it’s, you know, very, you know sort of what’s the word I’m looking for.

It’s a high-minded pursuit.

0:49:34 – Dr. Liz
Oh, okay.

0:49:36 – Kryssa
Something like helping other people to heal makes improves your own self-worth, okay, but if it’s exhausting you improves your own self-worth, okay, but if it’s exhausting you and if you happen to be an unhealed empath so that you’re absorbing everybody else’s everything, that walks in your door, or yes, yeah, it’s gonna be exhausting, so either heal that shit, can I say?

either heal that shit, before you continue to take on everybody else’s stuff because you you’re not doing them any favors you’re not doing you any favors by taking their stuff on or maybe look into doing something that’s adjacent to that career doesn’t have to be you know direct, yeah, something where you’re helping people in a I don’t know some other supportive capacity. So you’re supporting the healing arts but maybe not directly involved. So that’s just my two cents.

0:50:24 – Dr. Liz
I don’t think everybody. Yeah, there’s a million things people can do to support themselves really.

0:50:31 – Kryssa
So I am shooting myself in the foot because, like I have quantum journeys hypnosis Academy that does in fact have a dual certification program that can turn people into professional certified hypnotists and hypnotherapists. And here I am saying, hey, if it doesn’t bring you joy, get out, but I still stand by that you know, yeah, yes, so we are actually coming to the end of our time.

0:50:55 – Dr. Liz
So why don’t you tell people how to find you, how to find your academy, if they’re interested in that, if they do feel drawn to being a healer, exactly?

0:51:04 – Kryssa
And you know what? What? You can always just get your toes wet and see if it’s free, because that’s the other thing.

0:51:08 – Dr. Liz
Sometimes a person doesn’t know they might just be like curious and they won’t really know if it’s a good fit, until they kind of take a bit of a plunge and oh yeah no, I was catching up with a friend the other day and we’re from grad school and we were talking about a you know a third friend that we had who has a doctorate in psychology, clinical psychology. She went all the way through, she graduated and she became a librarian right and she she’s like, I hate people, I don’t want to listen to them talk.

She should have done applied psychology, I know right, I guess she works in like this very small academic library, because a typical librarian actually has to talk to a lot of people, that’s true, but yeah, she completely went away from you. Know what really her training was in was to be a therapist.

0:51:58 – Kryssa
Well, and even though my background is in applied psychology, what I did professionally I was a chef, oh yeah. Background is in applied psychology. What I did professionally I was a chef, oh yeah, for like over 20 years really. Personal chef. I was a chef in the restaurant, then I was a personal chef. I did pastries for a while too, but anyway, yeah and I didn’t anticipate that I was ever going to be doing this.

0:52:17 – Dr. Liz
This came to me later in life.

0:52:19 – Kryssa
But now I mean, it’s just so obvious to me every day that this is I’m right where I’m supposed to be, like this is my purpose, and I’ve had past life memories of me doing this same work. Oh, interesting People in trance states. It just wasn’t called hypnosis back then.

0:52:35 – Dr. Liz
Okay, yeah. And what about being a chef? Past lives of chef too.

0:52:39 – Kryssa
I don’t know. I haven’t had any memories of that I was like aissamariebowmancom.

So K-R-Y-S-S-A-M-A-R-I-E B as in boy O-W-M-A-Ncom chrissamariebowmancom. From that you can find everything that I’m doing, but if you want to just go straight to the academy, it’s just quantumjourneyshypnosiscom. Note that there’s an S on journeys, though. It’s not quantum journey hypnosis, it’s quantum journeys hypnosis. Okay, I don’t know why some people don’t hear the S. Yeah, so yeah, that’s. That’s the easiest way to find me. I’m also on Facebook under Krista Marie Bowman, or quantum journeys hypnosis. I am on Instagram quantum journeys hypnosis and I’m on Tik TOK under Krista Liss.

0:53:42 – Dr. Liz
Oh fun, yeahiss, TikTok fun. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us and all of your wisdom.

0:53:52 – Kryssa
Yeah, it was nice to come out of my cocoon briefly just to have this chat, and I’ll probably be going back in for a little bit longer.

0:53:58 – Dr. Liz
You can go right back in if you like.

0:54:00 – Kryssa
All right, thanks so much. All right, take care, bye-bye.

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